Ah Chenzhen, you’re a gentleman. I’ll give you that and truly I don’t dislike you like I do so many of the fools from your party.

And maybe so about Republicans not capturing anything – they didn’t deserve to in my opinion but the history I was talking of were the numbers switching. Really nothing significant and the results were about the historical average.

But I do disagree with your reasoning as to why the “surge” was finally conducted. I think Bush finally got the message from his own party either get with it or get out – that and the illegal immigration issue were the real messages of the 2006 election.

That’s why I don’t feel like so many Dimocrats do that the 2008 Presidential election is a given, especially if Hillary Clinton wins. I think many people are going to be completely surprised.

People may vote in protest against Bush and the Republicans but it’s not a vote for the Dimocratic party ideal.

Funny, a second ago you referred to such people as “bottom rung”.

Anyway,

I think you hit the essence of my point here. I think the reason why the results were so overwhelming* is because a significant number of independents and moderates voted for the Dems purely out of protest and a sincere desire for change. The message and political dynamics forced the administration to react and change policy on Iraq, and (within a month or two) materialized into the “surge”. Like I stated upthread, the actual Dem positions and productivity in the past year is fairly irrelevant to this.

*The results were historic…literally. They were the first elections in US history were no Republican captured any House, Senate, or even Gubernatorial seat previously held by a Democrat. None. Zero.

I doubt you’d approve of my avatars. Better stick with the blank one…

As far as adding or debating honestly, there is nothing to add because your conclusion is a blank slate – like trying to disprove a negative. It’s the oldest Dim tactic – throw out any dumb conclusion and see what sticks (usually in a room full of other Dims because not only are you guys wrong on the issues you’re also cowards).

You party doesn’t debate – you whine and make promises you can’t possibly keep, then pat yourselves on the back for your ingenuity. You’re devoid of ideas that mean anything to most Americans. Most lefties have added nothing to the Iraq fight, the war on terror, the economy, or anything else relevant. That’s why honorable people like a large majority of our military disdain your crowd. They realize liberals are devoid of honor too. You excel at criticism, obstruction, BDS, and American hatin’. Sensible people know that.

You know what book you need to read Chen if you want an honest conclusion about liberalism, progressivism, or neo-paganism as I like to call it? Written by a lib? Read Bernie Goldberg’s book about CBS and liberalism. It’s your blog…

If that landslide of 2006 was of historic proportions (another lib lie; it barely reached average proportions for a 2nd term Pres.) as you say, why haven’t you and your representatives gotten anything accomplished in an entire year? Even the Presidency doesn’t have that kind of stroke to prevent approval of overwhelmingly popular issues. Last I looked, your Dimocratically controlled Congress had a historically low approval rating. They’ve been an abysmal failure by any measure. Even if you win the Presidency this next go around, it won’t matter – your ideas, or lack thereof, never last.

People may vote in protest against Bush and the Republicans but it’s not a vote for the Dimocratic party ideal. The only scary thoughts to me personally are a possible Ginsberg, ACLU, man-hating type on the court and you guys gutting the military again when we need them most. As far as liberal persuasion, this country has moved way right since the mid 70s and will continue to do so if it is to survive.

I saw a poll the other: Reuters, Zogby, something. It was all over the news. And the poll said most Americans consider themselves happy and content. And I thought to myself, what a disconnect. Americans don’t know how good they’ve got it but they scream for change. It almost made me wish you guys could win in a real landslide and screw things up so bad, people would never forget. It happened once in my lifetime with Carter. But unfortunately, American memories are short like their attention span. American people are fickle and they soon forget.

It will take a great tragedy, far greater than 9/11 I’m afraid, to wake us up. A shame, mainly because of my children.

in2thefray- not that it has done much good. Tex here doesn’t really have any interest in an honest debate on the subject at hand, so I went ahead and added a white flag avatar to his admitted ad hominem post.

In fact, I think I might do this for everyone who behaves this way. hmmmm….I might have and idea here.

That ain’t the American people Chen – that’s the bottom rung of the American people. Oh, there’s a few good ones, Lieberman, Sam Nunn or David Boren for instance. I thought you folks were the ones who wanted inclusion?

But before I wrap this up, I want to thank you personal for giving me an epiphany. You, Lexie and all the rest of the insipid BDS types have finally reminded me of my previous experiences in corporate America and why I left it.

Tex’s parable of BDS types:

You are like the Human Resources Manager of NASA who upon the safe arrival of the Apollo 13 crew, burst into command and control center and announced to the news media that we can thank all the NASA HR employees for mission accomplished.

Honestly, what makes anyone so sure that opposition to the Iraq War necessarily means that those in opposition are “liberals”?

I’ve had that debate many, many times. I mean, if unconditional support for war makes one a conservative, then I have no problem being called a liberal I guess.

Anyway, I never said that the “Dimocrats” are responsible. I’m saying that the American people are. Have you been reading the thread?