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		<title>By: ChenZhen</title>
		<link>http://chenzhen.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/the-world-hearts-obama-foreign-policy/#comment-12846</link>
		<dc:creator>ChenZhen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, that&#039;s it.  I&#039;m closing down the comments to this thread, as this is really going nowhere but down.  I&#039;m pretty disappointed in both you guys, quite frankly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, that&#8217;s it.  I&#8217;m closing down the comments to this thread, as this is really going nowhere but down.  I&#8217;m pretty disappointed in both you guys, quite frankly.</p>
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		<title>By: Tex Taylor</title>
		<link>http://chenzhen.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/the-world-hearts-obama-foreign-policy/#comment-12845</link>
		<dc:creator>Tex Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve often wondered if that Iranian that I cold cocked in 1979 and fucked him bad enough to send him back where he belongs thinks I&#039;m a chicken hawk?  Seems in his world, women can be pushed around.  Not mine and the college agreed.

&lt;blockquote&gt;But then again, I have no idea what sacrifice is, right? Not like I’ve been to any funerals for my LIBERAL friends, you fucking sack of shit.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

About your funerals...cheers.  It breaks my heart.  Hopefully, you&#039;ll get a chance to attend more of them and soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve often wondered if that Iranian that I cold cocked in 1979 and fucked him bad enough to send him back where he belongs thinks I&#8217;m a chicken hawk?  Seems in his world, women can be pushed around.  Not mine and the college agreed.</p>
<blockquote><p>But then again, I have no idea what sacrifice is, right? Not like I’ve been to any funerals for my LIBERAL friends, you fucking sack of shit.</p></blockquote>
<p>About your funerals&#8230;cheers.  It breaks my heart.  Hopefully, you&#8217;ll get a chance to attend more of them and soon.</p>
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		<title>By: blogoprofundo</title>
		<link>http://chenzhen.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/the-world-hearts-obama-foreign-policy/#comment-12843</link>
		<dc:creator>blogoprofundo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I see.  You&#039;re talking about the attitude of the individual voter, and not the legal relationship between voters as a block and government.      

I agree that we should stick it out given certain conditions, and leaving would be a mistake, possibly a massive mistake depending on what Iran&#039;s deal is.  I also agree with Alfie that the average voter is probably under-informed.  But I don&#039;t think it is the voter&#039;s responsibility to do as the military wants.

I also get sick of the chicken-hawk side-line cheer-leading of the Anne Coulter crowd.  They talk about sacrifice and duty, but then what do they do?  Call liberals fags?  Way to go!  I only have a feeling of disgust for them.  I don&#039;t think they&#039;re bad Americans, just contemptible humans.  In my mind, they&#039;re as bad as the hippies that call Bush a Nazi.  They&#039;re content with sitting back and TALKING about it; maybe throwing some money at it.  Pathetic.  You want to talk about the US as Rome, the belief that one can sit back and direct the world from behind a computer screen is a pretty good indication that we&#039;re sinking.

But then again, I have no idea what sacrifice is, right?  Not like I&#039;ve been to any funerals for my LIBERAL friends, you fucking sack of shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I see.  You&#8217;re talking about the attitude of the individual voter, and not the legal relationship between voters as a block and government.      </p>
<p>I agree that we should stick it out given certain conditions, and leaving would be a mistake, possibly a massive mistake depending on what Iran&#8217;s deal is.  I also agree with Alfie that the average voter is probably under-informed.  But I don&#8217;t think it is the voter&#8217;s responsibility to do as the military wants.</p>
<p>I also get sick of the chicken-hawk side-line cheer-leading of the Anne Coulter crowd.  They talk about sacrifice and duty, but then what do they do?  Call liberals fags?  Way to go!  I only have a feeling of disgust for them.  I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re bad Americans, just contemptible humans.  In my mind, they&#8217;re as bad as the hippies that call Bush a Nazi.  They&#8217;re content with sitting back and TALKING about it; maybe throwing some money at it.  Pathetic.  You want to talk about the US as Rome, the belief that one can sit back and direct the world from behind a computer screen is a pretty good indication that we&#8217;re sinking.</p>
<p>But then again, I have no idea what sacrifice is, right?  Not like I&#8217;ve been to any funerals for my LIBERAL friends, you fucking sack of shit.</p>
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		<title>By: ChenZhen</title>
		<link>http://chenzhen.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/the-world-hearts-obama-foreign-policy/#comment-12841</link>
		<dc:creator>ChenZhen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 05:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tex-

&lt;blockquote&gt;Just because you hate Ms. Ann her doesn’t mean she’s not right!  I think she just answered your question from last week…and I love it when libbies squirm when at just the mention of her name. She does to you what Michelle Obama does to me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yea right.  You got me.

Actually, there is a long-standing &lt;a href=&quot;http://chenzhen.wordpress.com/2007/03/02/for-the-love-ofjust-ignore-ann-coulter/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;decree&lt;/a&gt; that the the Chamber is a no-Coulter zone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tex-</p>
<blockquote><p>Just because you hate Ms. Ann her doesn’t mean she’s not right!  I think she just answered your question from last week…and I love it when libbies squirm when at just the mention of her name. She does to you what Michelle Obama does to me.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yea right.  You got me.</p>
<p>Actually, there is a long-standing <a href="http://chenzhen.wordpress.com/2007/03/02/for-the-love-ofjust-ignore-ann-coulter/" rel="nofollow">decree</a> that the the Chamber is a no-Coulter zone.</p>
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		<title>By: Tex Taylor</title>
		<link>http://chenzhen.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/the-world-hearts-obama-foreign-policy/#comment-12840</link>
		<dc:creator>Tex Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>General,

&lt;blockquote&gt;One of these days I should probably come up with an Chamber Emblem for netizens who actually stoop to quoting Ann Coulter to make a point.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Just because you hate Ms. Ann her doesn&#039;t mean she&#039;s not right! :)  I think she just answered your question from last week...and I love it when libbies squirm when at just the mention of her name.  She does to you what Michelle Obama does to me.

And you never grabbed the red herring symbol I suggested for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>General,</p>
<blockquote><p>One of these days I should probably come up with an Chamber Emblem for netizens who actually stoop to quoting Ann Coulter to make a point.</p></blockquote>
<p>Just because you hate Ms. Ann her doesn&#8217;t mean she&#8217;s not right! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I think she just answered your question from last week&#8230;and I love it when libbies squirm when at just the mention of her name.  She does to you what Michelle Obama does to me.</p>
<p>And you never grabbed the red herring symbol I suggested for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: ChenZhen</title>
		<link>http://chenzhen.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/the-world-hearts-obama-foreign-policy/#comment-12839</link>
		<dc:creator>ChenZhen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of these days I should probably come up with an Chamber Emblem for netizens who actually stoop to quoting Ann Coulter to make a point.  Kinda along the same lines as Goodwin&#039;s law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of these days I should probably come up with an Chamber Emblem for netizens who actually stoop to quoting Ann Coulter to make a point.  Kinda along the same lines as Goodwin&#8217;s law.</p>
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		<title>By: Tex Taylor</title>
		<link>http://chenzhen.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/the-world-hearts-obama-foreign-policy/#comment-12837</link>
		<dc:creator>Tex Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blogo,

&lt;i&gt;Well, aren’t you saying that they’re extra-democratic? You argued that suggesting that the military ought to do what elected officials say is anti-military. Doesn’t this imply that the military ought to do what it does regardless of what the people say?&lt;/i&gt;

I implied nothing but that the military wishes to carry out the job and finish it the way it was instructed to five years ago.  I don&#039;t know what is so hard to understand about that.

Congress provided support for for Iraq.  Even the MSM tacitly sat by and that&#039;s what Rutherford and the rest of the dickheads say; not me.  You idiots now act as if George Bush unilaterally gave the order to kill Saddam.  They even went in front of the feckless U.N.  The fact is most Americans are so disconnected from reality of war and our enemy that it is shameful; you included IMHO.

You want a million quotes from your lefty side of the blog about Saddam and WMD from John Kerry, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, and Dickhead Durbin to prove my point?

I think Ann Coulter sums it up best about the Rutherford types:

&lt;i&gt;Democrats think they have concocted a brilliant argument by saying that jihadists have been able to recruit based on the war in Iraq. Yes, I assume so. Everything the United States has done since 9/11 has galvanized the evil people of the world to fight the U.S. In World War II, some Frenchmen joined the Waffen SS, too. And the good people of the world have been galvanized to fight on the side of the U.S. The question is: Which side are the Democrats on?&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

--Ann Coulter

And I&#039;m convinced that Rutherford, the Revolting Puke, Ugly Kay and the rest of the American loathing ilk are on the enemy&#039;s side, thinking it will score points so they can bow to Obama.  You don&#039;t like my opinion, fine.  But everything the scum above says on this board insinuates otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blogo,</p>
<p><i>Well, aren’t you saying that they’re extra-democratic? You argued that suggesting that the military ought to do what elected officials say is anti-military. Doesn’t this imply that the military ought to do what it does regardless of what the people say?</i></p>
<p>I implied nothing but that the military wishes to carry out the job and finish it the way it was instructed to five years ago.  I don&#8217;t know what is so hard to understand about that.</p>
<p>Congress provided support for for Iraq.  Even the MSM tacitly sat by and that&#8217;s what Rutherford and the rest of the dickheads say; not me.  You idiots now act as if George Bush unilaterally gave the order to kill Saddam.  They even went in front of the feckless U.N.  The fact is most Americans are so disconnected from reality of war and our enemy that it is shameful; you included IMHO.</p>
<p>You want a million quotes from your lefty side of the blog about Saddam and WMD from John Kerry, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, and Dickhead Durbin to prove my point?</p>
<p>I think Ann Coulter sums it up best about the Rutherford types:</p>
<p><i>Democrats think they have concocted a brilliant argument by saying that jihadists have been able to recruit based on the war in Iraq. Yes, I assume so. Everything the United States has done since 9/11 has galvanized the evil people of the world to fight the U.S. In World War II, some Frenchmen joined the Waffen SS, too. And the good people of the world have been galvanized to fight on the side of the U.S. The question is: Which side are the Democrats on?&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>&#8211;Ann Coulter</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m convinced that Rutherford, the Revolting Puke, Ugly Kay and the rest of the American loathing ilk are on the enemy&#8217;s side, thinking it will score points so they can bow to Obama.  You don&#8217;t like my opinion, fine.  But everything the scum above says on this board insinuates otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfie</title>
		<link>http://chenzhen.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/the-world-hearts-obama-foreign-policy/#comment-12836</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blogo...First I&#039;m not saying the people should obey the military or any variation thereof. My point was that imo the people have not gotten all the input the military has the to offer to make the best decision. I am also not saying departure is right and in the cards. In fact I think the military is on the move to display the ability to leave in larger amounts without the input from the idiot politicians.
I don&#039;t know if I&#039;m guilty of a straw man or goal post moving etc. but I just can&#039;t imagine this was said. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;The will of the elected official is as close to the will of the people as we get.&lt;/blockquote&gt; That is sssssooooo not true.In fact each side of the aisle thrive on the opposite thinking. The Right says the pols are elitists that ignore the people and the Left says the same thing with a twist. I&#039;m done thanks for the conversation take care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blogo&#8230;First I&#8217;m not saying the people should obey the military or any variation thereof. My point was that imo the people have not gotten all the input the military has the to offer to make the best decision. I am also not saying departure is right and in the cards. In fact I think the military is on the move to display the ability to leave in larger amounts without the input from the idiot politicians.<br />
I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;m guilty of a straw man or goal post moving etc. but I just can&#8217;t imagine this was said. </p>
<blockquote><p>The will of the elected official is as close to the will of the people as we get.</p></blockquote>
<p> That is sssssooooo not true.In fact each side of the aisle thrive on the opposite thinking. The Right says the pols are elitists that ignore the people and the Left says the same thing with a twist. I&#8217;m done thanks for the conversation take care.</p>
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		<title>By: blogoprofundo</title>
		<link>http://chenzhen.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/the-world-hearts-obama-foreign-policy/#comment-12834</link>
		<dc:creator>blogoprofundo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, aren&#039;t you saying that they&#039;re extra-democratic?  You argued that suggesting that the military ought to do what elected officials say is anti-military.  Doesn&#039;t this imply that the military ought to do what it does regardless of what the people say?  Maybe I misunderstood you, but it&#039;s hard to find the argument amongst all the funny insults (why do you think you can insult someone on the internet who&#039;s using a stupid pseudonym, anyway?  I&#039;m here &#039;cause I like arguing, not because I&#039;m trying to score points.  If I wanted to score points, I&#039;d use my real name and put up a picture.  Doye.)  And the Burma thing was a joke.  Relax.  

Second, democracies can act like bastards. No one is denying that. I&#039;m no expert on Vietnam, but it seems the government acted like a bunch of bastards.  They&#039;re messy.  They make terrible mistakes.  What you seem to be suggesting is that if the voter does what the military tells it, then we&#039;d be better off.  I don&#039;t agree with that.  We&#039;re better off with the military an arm of the elected official, not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, aren&#8217;t you saying that they&#8217;re extra-democratic?  You argued that suggesting that the military ought to do what elected officials say is anti-military.  Doesn&#8217;t this imply that the military ought to do what it does regardless of what the people say?  Maybe I misunderstood you, but it&#8217;s hard to find the argument amongst all the funny insults (why do you think you can insult someone on the internet who&#8217;s using a stupid pseudonym, anyway?  I&#8217;m here &#8217;cause I like arguing, not because I&#8217;m trying to score points.  If I wanted to score points, I&#8217;d use my real name and put up a picture.  Doye.)  And the Burma thing was a joke.  Relax.  </p>
<p>Second, democracies can act like bastards. No one is denying that. I&#8217;m no expert on Vietnam, but it seems the government acted like a bunch of bastards.  They&#8217;re messy.  They make terrible mistakes.  What you seem to be suggesting is that if the voter does what the military tells it, then we&#8217;d be better off.  I don&#8217;t agree with that.  We&#8217;re better off with the military an arm of the elected official, not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Tex Taylor</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What’s going on? I never, ever called the President a Nazi, fascist, or an imperialist. I merely pointed out that it’s the job of the military to follow the commands of certain elected officials. That’s the way the military works, and acknowledging this is not anti-military.&lt;/i&gt;

Why no, you don&#039;t have the nerve to say such things as that would get you canned without pension.  You&#039;re just along for the ride...

&lt;blockquote&gt;I think it’s a mistake when people do that. It’s in line with the mistake Tex is making: to assume that the military is extra-democratic, or outside the scope of democratic decision making. The military went to war in Vietnam because our elected officials told them to. We elected our elected officials. Could it get any clearer? Apparently.&lt;blockquote&gt;

Extra Democratic?  Why yes!  That&#039;s what I am saying the military is for.  A military junta!  That is what you suggested I recommend, isn&#039;t it?

Oh yes!  Our leaving South Vietnam in a lurch because it was unpopular provided such a beacon of hope for the oppressed.  It only took us 25 years to recover!  Why, I think you&#039;re right.  We should go down that path again... I nominate you for Class President!

Do the words honor, duty and commitment mean anything?  My, how quickly that slipped the thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What’s going on? I never, ever called the President a Nazi, fascist, or an imperialist. I merely pointed out that it’s the job of the military to follow the commands of certain elected officials. That’s the way the military works, and acknowledging this is not anti-military.</i></p>
<p>Why no, you don&#8217;t have the nerve to say such things as that would get you canned without pension.  You&#8217;re just along for the ride&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>I think it’s a mistake when people do that. It’s in line with the mistake Tex is making: to assume that the military is extra-democratic, or outside the scope of democratic decision making. The military went to war in Vietnam because our elected officials told them to. We elected our elected officials. Could it get any clearer? Apparently.<br />
<blockquote>
<p>Extra Democratic?  Why yes!  That&#8217;s what I am saying the military is for.  A military junta!  That is what you suggested I recommend, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Oh yes!  Our leaving South Vietnam in a lurch because it was unpopular provided such a beacon of hope for the oppressed.  It only took us 25 years to recover!  Why, I think you&#8217;re right.  We should go down that path again&#8230; I nominate you for Class President!</p>
<p>Do the words honor, duty and commitment mean anything?  My, how quickly that slipped the thought.</p></blockquote>
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