Are We Clear, Kristol?

July 21, 2007

According to Federal Election Commission figures tabulated by a diarist on Daily Kos, the Q2 donations made my active-duty troops to presidential campaigns breaks down like this:

Ron Paul 26.23%
Barack Obama 24.02%
Hillary Clinton 11.08%
Bill Richardson 5.59%
John Edwards 2.63%
Joe Biden 0.84%
Mike Gravel 0.16%
Dennis Kucinich 0.05%
Chris Dodd 0%

John McCain 18.31%
Mitt Romney 4.05%
Rudy Giuliani 2.44%
Mike Huckabee 1.84%
Tom Tancredo 1.63%
Duncan Hunter 1.05%
Sam Brownback 0.07%
Tommy Thompson 0%
Jim Gilmore 0%
John Cox 0%

In other words, 70.6% to anti-war candidates vs. 29.4% for pro-war candidates (although I’m not sure if it’s fair to lump candidates like Brownback or Biden into opposite camps, seeing as they seem to be advocating a similar way forward in Iraq, but you get the idea).

Then, today, we get another wonderful bit of wisdom from William Kristol:  They Don’t Really Support the Troops

Having turned against a war that some of them supported, the left is now turning against the troops they claim still to support. They sense that history is progressing away from them–that these soldiers, fighting courageously in a just cause, could still win the war, that they are proud of their service, and that they will be future leaders of this country. They are not “Shock Troops.” They are our best and bravest, fighting for all of us against a brutal enemy in a difficult and frustrating war. They are the 9/11 generation. The left slanders them. We support them. More than that, we admire them.

–William Kristol

Does anyone else smell that?



  1. Oh yeah, I smell it alright! The right wing like billy glass head is DESPERATE. They have to cling to this fantasy world of theirs. Too bad the dems are in cahoots. If they moved against the bush crime family, impeached them, and ended this war, we could, as a country, move light years ahead toward the peaceful future we all want.

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  2. I don’t believe anything that’s said on the Daily Kosaks. I’ve been in the military. I know military personnel. They DON’T like lefties.

    When it comes right down to it, something like 70% of the military will vote for the Republican candidate for president…period!

    You can spin the campaign donations any way you want. Little socialist ClapSo’s can come here and talk shit about anyone to the right of Howard Dean. But when it comes right down to it, the military doesn’t like Leftists.

    And if you don’t believe me Chen…mark this post down on your calender. I’ll bet you $1,000, to be given to the charity of your choice, that the GOP candidate gets at least 65% of all the military vote, probably more.

    Do we have a bet?

  3. I went to the Federal Election Commission website and I searched and searched. I can’t for the life of me find where you Kos Kiddie buddy found those figures.

    Let’s up the bet to $2,000! What do you say?

    And just to be a good sport, I’ll bet this ClapSo Commie also.

  4. Well Sage, you have to do a little math if you want to verify the %, but if you go into each individual candidate, you can search by ’employer’ and it won’t take you too long to see that guys like Obama and Paul got a lot more from the military than guys like Brownback.

    And no, I don’t want to bet.

  5. Just doing some basic math here I found that your little Kos buddy is very disingenuous.
    The percentages he put together are a percentage of the total dollar amount given by people associated with the military through the Department of Defense and the military industrial complex and not necessarily, in fact probably not, from active duty military personnel in the theater of combat in Iraq and Afganistan for, each individual campaign. They are not a percentage of the total dollar amount contributed to so called “pro-war” vs. “anti-war” candidates as a total dollar amount contributed to all campaigns by Department Of Defense associates and especially not by active duty personnel fighting within the theater of combat.
    A cursory assessment of the amount of money as a percentage of overall contributions to all campaigns would show overwhelmingly that active duty military personnel that are serving within the theater of combat in Iraq and Afganistan contribute in much larger numbers to candidates in the GOP…most of whom plan on giving General Patreaus at least until mid September to file a report on the progress in Iraq.
    Active duty military personnel serving in Iraq and Afganistan understand the need for patience and are contributing accordingly.
    Kos Lefties can try and spin the contribution thing any way they want, but it will never come out the way they want it to.

    The offer still stands on the bet Chen….it’s for charity!

  6. Chen,
    You’re going off the deep end here by compounding questionable figures to reinforce wishful thinking. Ron Paul has no real world support (1-2% tops) despite these fund raising figures. If you take Ron Paul out of the mix (according to my drunken math) it roughly splits 50-50. How does this match campaigns in the past? Do some fucking research instead of inventing an alternate reality. Are you going to be surprised when the military vote comes in overwhelmingly Republican (again)?

    Here’s an old sample of military politics…


    “A poll conducted late last year by the Military Times found that 57 percent of those surveyed consider themselves Republican, while 13 percent identified with the Democrats. Among the officer corps the numbers were different. Nearly 66 percent of officers considered themselves Republican compared with 9 percent Democratic.”

    Are you really going to be surprised if these numbers don’t magically invert by the next election?

  7. Damn, I really got under you guys’ skin with this post, eh? I really didn’t mean to. I just think it’s interesting to see things like this:

    U.S. ARMY 1,450.00

    Ron Paul
    US ARMY 6,375.00

    You guys are probably right, though. Then again, maybe there weren’t nearly as many “get me the fuck out of here” votes in 2004.

  8. Kristol clear. I get it. 😀

    Well done.

  9. Well, that was fun. I wouldn’t have missed all that ranting for the world. ROFL.

    Just for the record I would like to say that I’m not a “Commie.” Socialist or if you wish to be insulting “pinko” fit me better. As to how wonderful it is that a jarhead goes off on a rant at first, then figures out that the basic point is all too true. Well that’s just priceless.

    I would like to tip my hat to DesertSage. He is both entertaining, and a real man for admitting he found the truth after all…

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  10. Lefty always says that they’re not “Commies”, but deep down they pine for the good ‘ole days of Khrushchev and Mao.

    Thanks for the tip of the hat ClapSo, but I never did concede anything. In fact, I basically debunked the ‘basic point’.

    And while ‘Jarhead’ is a legitimate nickname for a Marine, when it comes from friends or fellow service members it’s taken as a term of endearment. When it comes from someone that generally despises military personnel, it’s usually taken as an insult. I’ll go out on a limb and say that you’re probably in the latter category.

  11. Hey jarhead,

    Your president is a stalinist dog.

    You admitted that you were wrong by jumping up and down in childish tantrum over a small part of the above post. The real truth is this war is not favored by anyone anymore. Not civilians, not military, not anyone! That was the real point of this post.

    I meant jarhead as an insult.

    What else are you wrong about, besides everything? There’s your pitiful attack on me being “someone that generally despises military personnel” that would come as a real shock to my beloved oldest son now serving aboard the USS Rushmore on station in the Persian gulf! I come from a family with a long and proud history of military service to this country. My sons present service is just the latest.

    This war was piss poorly planned and executed from the start. It has dragged on for far too long with no reasonable end in sight. I want my son, and all our young people in uniform home, and I mean now. If you are so sure that this war is worth fighting, you should volunteer to go over there and fight it. You are clearly the kind of fool we should be using as cannon fodder!

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    The spiritually miraculous takes a bit longer

  12. Hey Commie,

    I’m sure we’ll do better with the Hildebeast huh?

    This war WILL be won, no thanks to lefty losers like you.
    I’ve already done my time in service to my country. I doubt you’ve ever done anything for this country except for hold some stupid protest sign. Freedom that I helped provide for you and that you take for granted and piss all over…because you could.

    If you knew anything about history, which you don’t because you went to some liberal arts college on daddy’s dime, you would know that ALL wars seem to be lost until they’re won.
    In 1863 the vast majority of the people were SCREAMING at Lincoln to make peace with the south because they didn’t think we could win that war. But he stuck it out, and it’s a good thing that he did. If he had listened to idiots like you we still would be a divided nation with slavery in the south. But Lefty doesn’t care about that. “Peace at any cost” he shouts! “To hell with the slavery or the genocide”, we’re just all pussies that don’t like to fight for freedom, whether it be ours or someone else’s.

    Then you come up with the same old meme, ‘if you like this war, then you go fight”. How stupid are you anyhow? Like I said before, I’ve already done my time. If I was young enough and they would take me, I would go back in a heartbeat. And you’re gonna tell me I don’t have the right to talk about this war?

    You stupid Lefties make me sick to my stomach, but I will still defend your right to say all the dumb crap that you want. A courtesy that you would love to take away from people like me.

    We’re done. You’re not worth another minute of my time. I’ve done my job serving this country to give you the freedom to be an idiot. Feel free to be the biggest idiot you want to be. I’ll use my freedom to not participate in your idiocy with you.

    Live in peace.

  13. Well that was easy. You give him a taste of his own medicine and he runs away like a scared little girl…

    Bye bye, wimp.

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  14. I say live in peace and you call me a wimp. Typical Lefty.

    I got you “wimp” pal. Any time, anywhere. And like most little socialist sissies, you never did answer any of my questions.

    I can do this stupid little tag line too:
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  15. Oh look, the wimp came back! You want answers sonny, you got em!

    1) I was working full time and had my own apartment without a penny from my parents when I was 16 years old in 1974. That’s right, I’m 48. I was married at 18 and spent the next several decades supporting my growing family.
    2) I worked as a chef and did well enough to quit working in 1998 and go to college. I now work as a writer.
    3) This phony patriotic bullshit you spew don’t work with me sonny and heres why:

    “Naturally, the common people don’t want war … but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.” [hermann goering]

    In case you don’t know, goering was a nazi. I wouldn’t want you to have to google it.

    That is the stupid crap those chicken hawks in the white house have been pulling for years. I’m immune to it. You have lost, now piss off…

    The scientifically impossible I do right away
    The spiritually miraculous takes a bit longer

  16. “This war was piss poorly planned and executed from the start.”

    You have some expertise in military planning on which to base this? You have some historical basis on which to rest your claim?

    If not, then you are just babbling leftist talking points and revealing just how little you really know about the military and war itself.

    “It has dragged on for far too long with no reasonable end in sight.”

    Who told you it was going to be a short war with a known end game? You are a fool to believe them.


  17. wow.

    Did you just call Sage a nazi? Game over, you lose.

    Your Goering analogy doesn’t even work. We actually were attacked, dipshit.


  18. Just thought I’d join the conversation over here. Seems to be the cool thing to do.

    The volume is way, way up, for a topic that requires very little analysis. Here we go: The statistics — and let’s just assume they’re true — show that Ron Paul is walking off with a whopping 26 percent of the “anti-war” cash.

    But, wait, remember: Ron Paul has no money.

    So apparently the military folks are just saving their pennies.

    The End.

  19. ROFL, you never start a war unless you have a strategy to win it. They had no such strategy from the start. They had no clear definition of winning it. They have changed their claims about this war so many time, I don’t know what the hell they are claiming this week.

    Colin Powell, once the chairman of the joint chiefs and then secretary of state was on record as saying that this war effort needed 500,000 troops to succeed. It was widely reported back in 2003. Google it. Instead you “commander guy” sent 100,000. Tell me that was a smart move.

    How about this?

    WMD in Iraq
    The check is in the mail
    I won’t come in your mouth

    those are the three biggest lies in the world!

    They sent some troops in without body armor. The boots on the ground had to use “hillbilly armor” on the humvees they sent. Hell it’s a wonder they haven’t run out of ammo yet.

    In the mean time my oldest son, and all our young people in uniform are over there for who the hell knows how long. here’s an article about a 26 year old that signed up for one weekend a month and two weeks a year and is in stead facing a FIFTH deployment. That’s a failure in my mind.

    Then there are the wounded vets that come home and lack any decent health care and have to run all over twon trying to get basic support services. So much for “support the troops” from the bush crime family.

    You aught see a film called “The Ground Truth”, it’s a documentary made up of interviews of Iraq vets. If you wanna get pissed off, see that film and then try to be an apologist for the bush crime family!

    My son is not done with his present tour until November. His mom has cancer and I doubt she will live to see him again. This war is causing we who have loved ones serving ar to much, for nothing in return.

    Don’t even try anymore of that patriotic bullshit with me. My family is paying too high a price for me to take that crap from you.

    The scientifically impossible I do right away
    The spiritually miraculous takes a bit longer

  20. ClapSo,

    With respect, you seem to be wandering from the original topic. Which was military campaign contributions. Not your bedroom misadventures.

    I made what I think is a clear point, and I look forward to your response.

    – C

  21. Oh look, the sissy has brought me a sob story.

    Blah, blah, blah…I was working.
    Blah, blah, blah…I didn’t have time to serve my country.

    I worked too pal. I’m only a year younger than you, had two kids when I was 18 and 20…yet I found time to serve my country.

    As far as this phony patriotic bullshit goes, don’t even try it. I’m Jewish, and to find out about my heritage I made it my business to study WWII, the Nazis and their propaganda. You’re not telling me anything I don’t know about Goering, Goebbels or any of those other assholes (may they all rot in hell!).

    As far as this war goes, I don’t think it was necessary…I never thought it was necessary. But we’re there. A majority of both political parties voted to send our military there, now they’re starting to wimp out.
    I believe Gen. Patraeus can win this war…you don’t.
    I believe it would be foolish to leave before we secure victory…you don’t.
    I believe that this war has not been fought properly…you seem to agree.
    I believe that the track that Gen. Patraeus seems to have us on now is a winning track…you don’t.
    I believe that the Democrats voted unanimously to send Patraeus to Iraq to get things on track, and to report back in September.
    I believe that they should at least give him to September to report like they asked him to do, and quit bitching, complaining, crying, whining and moaning until then.
    I believe that our country and the world will be better off if Patraeus does succeed, and worse off if he fails…you don’t.
    I believe that if we had it to do all over again, we should have never gone to Iraq…you and I seem to agree on that.
    But hindsight is 20/20. We are there now, there’s no turning back the clock and starting over.
    I believe that since we are there, we should stay and get the job done…you don’t.
    And as far as “bringing our troops home”, that’s the dumbest canard that Lefty has come up with. The “troops” are spread all over the world. They’re on every continent on the globe. That’s their job. They don’t ‘come home’. If they leave Iraq they’ll just go someplace else in the world.

    Other than that, we are both Americans.
    Again, I wish you peace.

  22. Sorry Cognito, I couldn’t care less about the repub and dem celebdidates and how much money they are getting and from whom. My interest is the discussion about this damn war this post has started.

    The scientifically impossible I do right away
    The spiritually miraculous takes a bit longer

  23. Well now that IS weird, Clap.

    Because I could have thought you hopped onto a thread that starts with the phrase, “According to Federal Election Commission figures tabulated…”

    If you want to just drop facts and deal strictly on feelings, then there are probably better places to go.

  24. Should the owner of this blog so state then I would listen. Since you are not posting under his name, i shall not. How about this other who was involved, no words for him. Where have you been cog? He has been off on a tangent for hours.

    The scientifically impossible I do right away
    The spiritually miraculous takes a bit longer

  25. For heaven’s sake, Clap. It took me about seven minutes to catch up. I don’t think I’m reaching into the Jurassic era when I bring up the original subject of the post.

    The whole idea is that the military guys are ostensibly giving their money to an anti-war candidate. So even THEY must believe it’s a crappy war, right? And so the discussion evolved.

    I simply reached back to the original point — the campain contributions bit — and proved it to be nonsense. So everything that proceeded from it is built on a foundation of nonsense.

  26. That ‘other’ you’re talking about would be me. I let it go a day and a half ago, you’re the one that came back here tonight and started calling me names.

  27. ROFL. You started this rant.

    Then you pull this cheap stunt where you post under three names at once.

    Here’s the proof. In comment 16 you used this sig. Notice the nonstandard placement of the words. One on top of the other.


    Then in comment 17 you did this


    Then in comment 20 this.

    – C

    What’s the matter, can’t figure out who you are?

    As to name calling you started that in comment number two!

    I pity you…

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  28. Actually, smarty-pants, I — who am not Desertsage, just did that because I thought Render’s signature was funny.

    There are three folks talkin’ to you.

  29. You all sound the same…

    I doubt that there are three of you.


    The scientifically impossible I do right away
    The spiritually miraculous takes a bit longer

  30. I know it’s hard to believe that three whole people might disagree with you, but it’s true.

    Ask Chen. He’ll vouch. We’re just three. Not a miraculous trinity.

    – C

  31. Cog, should we invite him over to prove that we are really different people?

    Or would that just blow his mind? :’)

  32. ROFL I checked the other comments on this blog. There are no other comments by either cognito or render. Add to this neither has an avatar and you get to a sad fool playing kids games an losing…

    That you are the only one playing and still you lose is a shame heheheheh

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  33. By all means.

    ClapSo, please feel free to visit us at http://tinyurl.com/37tuj2 — it’s a decent enough place. Mostly.

  34. *snicker* I have better things to do then play tag with multiple personality disorder right wingers.

    I write tens of thousands of words a day. I have places enough to write them thanks.

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  35. I guess you did come over for a visit, that’s good.

    We will talk again. You’ll probably find out that we have more in common then you think.

  36. Tens of thousands of words per day?

    Pardon. I’ve got to say I find that hard to believe. I know a thing or two about word counts, and that’s an astronomical output. That’s a book a week, and even the most pulpy of pulp writers can’t do that.

  37. And ClapSo, I think the folks over there would get a chuckle out of you calling me a rightwinger. Not exactly so.

  38. Tens of thousands. I’ve counted using the word count on my word processing program. I was stunned the first time I hit that many. Now it’s same old same old. I write about 15 hours a day. Like i said, i make my living writing…

    The scientifically impossible I do right away
    The spiritually miraculous takes a bit longer

  39. Well, at least he didn’t sat “Reich Wingers” like the Kos Kiddies do.

    Which is funny because they’re the ones that want to destroy Israel.


  40. I have no use for kos and that bunch, they are apologists for the dems. I am against the two party system. That’s the real source of out political problems.

    The scientifically impossible I do right away
    The spiritually miraculous takes a bit longer

  41. Whoa! You make your living writing?

    Well. If I had only known!

    C’mon man. I know a thing or two about a thing or two, and I’ll leave it there. But if you crank out “tens of thousands” of words a day, you’re either 1) writing absolute crap, or 2) you’ve got eight pairs of hands.

    Don’t give me that nonsense. Even on Kerouac’s most speed-fueled day he didn’t match your output. You’ve lost all credibility with me.

  42. “I have no use for kos and that bunch, they are apologists for the dems. I am against the two party system. That’s the real source of out political problems.”

    Yep, I think we will get along. You’re alright ClapSo.

  43. Sometimes ya gotta have it out to make new friends huh?

    I grew up in a working class neighborhood in Brooklyn, NY we know how to fight it out, then shake hands 😉

    The scientifically impossible I do right away
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  44. Must have been quite a job, with eight pairs of hands….

    (All right, all right, I’m kidding. Do feel free to sign up at LGF. Chen posts there, so it can’t be all bad.)

  45. Hehehehe, you’re the one with six hands and three names.

    I have more places I post then I really need. Should I feel the need to read some right wing rants, I’ll stop by…

    The scientifically impossible I do right away
    The spiritually miraculous takes a bit longer

  46. Hey, my father grew up in East Flatbush. He went to PS 135 and Brooklyn Tech.

    He moved out to CA in ’55. He would always say that the Dodgers followed him out here.

  47. Cool. But one piece of advice, if I may:

    If you do get on over to LGF, do NOT show up toting that tag about “the scientifically impossible.” You’d survive longer wearing argyle golf pants.

  48. ROFL, my dad didn’t go to a MLB game from the late ’50’s till the day he died in protest of the Dodgers moving. He wouldn’t even watch a game on TV.

    The scientifically impossible I do right away
    The spiritually miraculous takes a bit longer

  49. And would you knock it off with the “Right Wing” thing?

    There’s a lot of middle of the road and conservative Democrats that post there too. Chen posts there all the time and we have some great discussions.

  50. Hehehehe. Ok, Ok, what ever you say…

    The scientifically impossible I do right away
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  51. My father would always tell us stories about Brooklyn. About how he would take the trolley to Ebbets Field with his brother when they were 10 and 11. When it was safe for kids to do that.

    He said the neighborhood was all Jewish and Italian back then. I guess it’s changed a lot huh?

  52. Heck, man, even in Manhattan things have changed. Look at the growth of Chinatown and the shrinking of Little Italy. Doesn’t make a huge difference to me since I don’t live there, but I do hate to see traditions fade.

  53. I used to take the subway alone when I was 9. That was 1966. Most of the city is now real expensive to live in. There are no Trolleys anymore and who knows who lives where anymore. The old ethnic neighborhoods are all gone. The city is a very integrated place now. I think that’s for the best. I always liked to live in mixed neighborhoods. Sunset Park, where I grew up had about a dozen different ethnic groups living there in peace.

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  54. Well, hell…it’s 3:00 here on the left coast (see, now I’m doing it) and I have to be up in 3 hrs.

    ClapSo, we’ll talk later. I may even drop by your blog and say hi sometime…if that’s ok?

  55. Sure, it’s open to the public. Have a nice nap…

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  56. I had no idea that I’d set off such a heated exchange with this post. Maybe it was the Nicholson pic?

    Anyway, this wasn’t my best post. I’m not sure if anything meaningful can be gleaned from that data (at least to strengthen the argument I’m alluding to). After all, the vast majority of the donations came under “no employer provided”, so the numbers coming from the armed services could just be a statistical anomaly or some other factor.

    Kristol is still a putz though. His kool aid stand should have shut down a couple of years ago, but there he is, taking broad sweeping shots at the “left”. (What’s with that anyway? Righty pundits like Kristol seem to be using any old thing as proof that the left hates the troops, hates America, loves al Qaeda, wants us to lose, etc., nothing says you love America quite like constantly bashing half the population. hhmm, maybe a subject for a future post).

  57. ROFL, billy glass head is just an apologist for the neoconartists. There is nothing they can do to truly answer for the failure of the bush crime family, so they pander to the worst element of their “base” the phony patriot type. They and their sick world view are on there way out…

    Sorry about the spam-o-rama last night. Sometimes I’m just in the mood for fire! Don’t feel bad, when you write a post that strongly effects people you are doing a good job!

    Your page views are probably way up for the day hehehehe.

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  58. They are most assuredly not me.

    I’ve been using this same nic, (plus one other nic), and the same sign-off style since 1988.

    I am an original member of the The Well and both original member and a former admin of DC’s own Herblink/LavaLampCity.

    I am also an independent defence analyst with over 20 years of experience writing about the subject. My father served in two armies, (USA and IDF), and fought in three wars, (’48 Israel, Korea 50-55, and Vietnam 65-70). My stepson served three tours in Iraq as a US Marine. I am, to my dismay, 4F from military service, due to sports injuries.

    I write about military history and technology – my field of speciality is armor identification.

    Examples of my on-line work can be found at Strategypage, Stratfor, Globalsecurity, FAS, and LGF.


    You said your son is in the US Navy, serving on a ship in the region. His personal threat level is zilch. My son went into Fallujah and Ramadi on foot.


    Your claim that there wasn’t enough body armor to go around is a flat-out lie. The US military has been using body armor since the early 1960’s.


    10,000 words eh? Only in a goldfish bowl.


  59. “billy glass head is just an apologist for the neoconartists.”

    This from people that are being programed to go to the polls and pull the lever for the Hildebeast….like so many sheep to the slaughter…Leftists tools you are.


  60. programed to go to the polls and pull the lever for the Hildebeast…

    Well I’m not.

  61. Good for you Chen.

    If the Dems are smart enough to actually nominate Obama, I promise to give him a fair shot. I have nothing against Obama, although I’m pretty sure that I don’t agree with many of his policies.

    If the Dems nominate Hillary…forgetaboutit! I wouldn’t vote for her if I had a gun to my head…which I wouldn’t put past her and her smear machine to do.

  62. I think that part of the reason why Hillary is so popular is that some people out there are entertaining the fantasy of having Bill back in the White House. I can understand how that might be tempting, but I am uneasy about this idea of some sort of bipolar monarchy going on (Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton, an issue that a youtuber brought up in the debate tonight, actually). I also don’t like Hillary’s fence-straddling over the war. If you see some of those 2002 videos of Obama discussing Iraq, you’ll see some impressive wisdom there. I can certainly respect that.

  63. That’s another thing I’ll never understand…the Dems fantasy with Bill?
    I mean, what the hell? He never could get a majority of people to vote for him…twice. He was never as popular as the Democrats and the MSM want everyone to believe he was. At least Bush broke the 50% barrier, which my 4th grade math teacher told me was a simple majority.

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