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The Legend Of Nodrog

October 15, 2007

It’s the end of an era, ladies and gentlemen. The legendary LGF poster, Gordon (aka “Nodrog”) has been banned from the site. Personally, I didn’t think it was ever going to happen.  He had tallied thousands of comments over a span of 4 years there, which is longer than most anyone who had regularly contributed.  The significance of this is enhanced by the fact that Gordon hardly ever towed the LGF line; he was viewed by most over there as the most persistent “troll” in the history of the site.  Heck, the guy had his own entry in the LGF dictionary even.  As it turned out though, a few days after I was handed my own eviction notice from the site, Gordon made the mistake of forgetting that the netizen inhabitants over there are extremely hypersensitive to anything that might be remotely construed by someone, somewhere, in some parallel universe as being vaguely anti-Semitic*. It was pretty lame, if you ask me. It might have been just a convenient excuse.  Nevertheless, Gordon was unceremoniously banished.

So, homeless, Gordon made the move to a site where many other LGF outcasts flock; the grumpy ex-lizard domain of Gulf Coast Pundit. Although he was initially allowed entry, some of the GCP residents were opposed to granting membership to someone as ideologically distant as Gordon, so his stay there was brief enough to be clocked on a stopwatch. Gordon was banned again.

Intent on not roaming the blogosphere without a home, however, Gordon has decided to build his own. So, if you want to learn more about how the man, the myth…the Nodrog, check out Nodrog’s Greatest Hits. Great moments in flame war history, indeed. In fact, Gordon may have inspired me to post my own LGF memoirs…so stay tuned.

*I was once called an anti-Semite on LGF for using the abbreviation “neocon” in a post.

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17 comments

  1. Holy shit, I must be new to the internet because this is the first I’ve heard of people making blogs about conversations on message boards.


  2. I was once called an anti-Semite on LGF for using the abbreviation “neocon” in a post.

    I was once called an anti-Semite for pointing out the scientifically correct meaning of the term “Semitic“. (See “Ancient Semitic People” and “Semitic” lanuages).

    Funny though, I’m technically as Semitic as they can get and get accused of anti-Semitism..


  3. Well Juan, as they say, you’d just have to be there. lol


  4. Sort of like the LGF Watch, LGF Watch Watch, and then LGF Watch Watch Watch stuff from three years back.


  5. Sphinx,

    I was once called an anti-Semite for pointing out the scientifically correct meaning of the term “Semitic“. (See “Ancient Semitic People” and “Semitic” lanuages).

    The term “anti-semite” refers very specifically to a term made up by a Austrian “scientist” in the late 1800s to refer to anti-Jew hatred. It was written by someone who hated specifically Jews to refer to something he advocated. (i.e., this “scientist” was in favor of antisemitism)

    See more about this right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moritz_Steinschneider

    But there is more to say.

    There is no such thing, geneologically, as a “semite.” “Semite” refers to “Shem,” a son of Noah. Given we cannot trace anyone back to Noah and his three sons, hence there are no “Semitic people.” There are “semitic languages,” and Hebrew and Arabic are included amongst them. However, a broad swath of races speak both Hebrew and Arabic.

    So, in summation, you are factually wrong to say you cannot be an “anti-semite” because you are a “semite.”

    I would like to add that even if you were Jewish, you could most certainly still be a self-hating Jew, such as Norm Finkelstein or Noam Chomsky. I would absolutely qualify them as “anti-semites,” despite the fact that they were born Jewish.


  6. “The term “anti-semite” refers very specifically to a term made up by a Austrian “scientist” in the late 1800s to refer to anti-Jew hatred.”

    I’ll have studied physics long enough to know that scientists can be inaccurate, or simply plain wrong. If you’ll talk about Jew-hatred, you’d better use a term like anti-Judaism or Judeophobia. Restricting “Semitism” to Jews only, not all of which are even Semitic by roots, is factually wrong.

    And whoever thinks that I’m anti-Semitic just because I point this out should really get a life. I’m just as anti-Semitic as I’m Islamophobic, namely zero.


  7. Sphinx,

    Let me repeat what I said, as you seem to not grasp it.

    The term semite itself is not accurate and does not refer to any actual ethnic or racial group of people. It was made up by a German “scientist” in the late 1800s to refer specifically to Jew hatred, and cast it in inaccurate racial terms. Since then, “antisemitism” has specifically been applied as Jew hatred.

    You hence cannot say “I am not an antisemite, as I am a semite,” because there really is no group of people who are “semites,” i.e., who can trace their lineage to Shem. Moreover, if you want to go that route, you are Egyptian, not Arab. So you do not descend from those who traditionally spoke “semitic languages,” anyway. Egyptians traditionally spoke the Coptic language, and before that, they spoke the Egyptian language. You are also not a Jew, and hence you do not have the ability to lay claim to the supposed “Jew immunity” against the term.

    Finally, even if you were a Jew who had the payot and big black hat, you could STILL be an antisemite! The Neterei Karta are Jews who hate fellow Jews, and even attended Ahmadinejad’s Holocaust denial conference. They were also on Arafat’s payroll. I would say that their Jew status does NOTHING to prevent the label of “antisemite” from applying to them. Sadly, the “self-hating Jew” phenomenom has a long history.

    I would like to add a few final thoughts to all this.

    “Anti-semitism” is a seperate phenomenom from “Judeophobia,” as you would like to term it. It casts Jews in a racial light, and says Jews are evil to the core, and even if they convert, they are still evil and must be killed. “Judeophobia” refers to fear of Judaism the religion, in the same way “Islamophobia” refers to fear of Islam the religion. And so the term “Judeophobe” is simply not interchangeable with “anti-semite.”

    One can have rational disagreements with any philosophy or religion. One cannot be rational and wish for an entire “race” (a false term, as Jews are an ethnicity and religion, but not a race) to be destroyed. As such, the labels “Judeophobe” and “Islamophobe” are offensive in an age that supposedly values freedom of speech. One can legitimately and rationally say there might be problems in Judaism or Islam, without having hate labels thrown at them. But I must emphasize that one cannot be a rational anti-semite, which is a racist ideology.

    And finally, in this whole conversation you will note that I did not say a single word about whether Sphinx is an anti-semite or not. I actually do not think he is; I actually know that Sphinx is a Zionist and does not hate Jews as such. I want it to be known that I do not hate Muslims as such, or “Islam” as such. I only hate the way many “Muslims” (a term they use, not me) practice “Islam.” (the name they give to their religion, not the one I give to them)


  8. There are two fundamentally wrong things you’ve said that I’d like to correct here, as I don’t have time for the rest:

    a false term, as Jews are an ethnicity and religion

    Judaism is not an ethnicity. A very simple reason why Judaism can’t be one is that anybody can convert to Judaism. It’s not simple and takes a long time, but one can’t just change their ethnicity.

    Speaking about ethnicities, you said I’m Egyptian and not Arab. In fact, around 13 generations ago my ancestors came to southern Egypt from Arabia. So I am partly of Arab – and not fully Egpytian – origin. But anyway..

    I actually know that Sphinx is a Zionist and does not hate Jews as such.

    Of course I don’t hate Jews as such, but I am definitely _not_ a Zionist. In fact, I consider Zionism incompatible with the human rights of the inhabitants of Palestine that were expelled by force from their homes. I also find it a double standard that an ideology, that insists on the right of return of people to a land that people of their same religion inhabited almost 2000 years ago, refuses people the right of return to their homes 60 years after their expulsion, many of them even still alive today. It’s paradox, and certainly not my idea of a peaceful and tolerant agenda.

    Off to study again now.


  9. Sphinx,

    Earlier, you told me that you believed Jews were no better or worse a people than anyone else, and as such, they deserve a state, as do others. This makes you a Zionist, whether you like it or not.

    As far as how you cast Zionism, anyone who actually reads real history and cares about truth and facts knows you are 100% patently wrong. In truth, the Arabs waged a war of annhilation against the fledging Jewish state on the day of its inception. They lost this war. Most groups would accept defeat. The fake ethnic group of the “Palestinians” do not accept defeat as they are used as pawns by Arab regimes. Instead of being repatriated into Arab states, they are treated like cattle and abused, and then told that the fault is the “Zionists,” rather than Muslim-on-Muslim violence. It’s tragic.

    As far as Jews go, they are three things: a religion, culture, and ethnicity. There are some converts, but relatively few, and those who converted traditionally did so because they were marrying Jews. For centuries, Jews were kept in ghettos and treated like second class citizens around the world. This enabled Jews to develop their own culture, history, and yes, ethnic group. In short, the Jews are a nation, and refer to themselves as a “Jewish nation.” Muslims refer to themselves as the “Ummah,” so this should not be that hard for you to conceive of.

    Finally, maybe you are part-Arab, but you are no “semite,” as semites simply do not exist. Unless you can actually trace your lineage back to Shem, which you cannot (as no one can), you are not a “semite.”


  10. Earlier, you told me that you believed Jews were no better or worse a people than anyone else, and as such, they deserve a state, as do others. This makes you a Zionist, whether you like it or not.

    I will however not support the building of any state, whether Jewish or not, if it comes at the cost of an entire other population. And this is the case with Israel’s start.

    And whether you like it or not, I’m not a Zionist. Simple as that.

    As far as how you cast Zionism, anyone who actually reads real history and cares about truth and facts knows you are 100% patently wrong. In truth, the Arabs waged a war of annhilation against the fledging Jewish state on the day of its inception.

    .. following the expulsion of thousands of Palestinians and the conquest of their lands and homes. Gee, I wonder why the neighbour states were pissed off.. There’s a reason for everything, and especially with the forming of Israel, you never look at the reasons why this wasn’t supported from the beginning.

    A tip: There were many parts of land in Palestine that were bought legally by Jews. There were no protests over this. It was however when land started to get stolen when things got ugly. Funny how you never put this into consideration.

    Instead of being repatriated into Arab states, they are treated like cattle and abused, and then told that the fault is the “Zionists,” rather than Muslim-on-Muslim violence. It’s tragic.

    Strange that after two Millenia of getting kicked out of Jerusalem by the Romans, people insisted that Jews had to return to the land, instead of repatriating into other countries..

    Finally, maybe you are part-Arab, but you are no “semite,” as semites simply do not exist. Unless you can actually trace your lineage back to Shem, which you cannot (as no one can), you are not a “semite.”

    Can you trace Jews back to Shem? Generally you can’t either.. So Jews are non-Semitic until proven otherwise as well. So as a solution I still suggest we stick with the more appropriate and correct term Judeophobia.

    Seriously, nothing against civil discussion, I just feel that this discussion again will spiral into infinity. With all due respect, I have better things to do with my time. I’m out.


  11. I will however not support the building of any state, whether Jewish or not, if it comes at the cost of an entire other population. And this is the case with Israel’s start.

    The foundation of Zionism does not involve kicking anyone off any land. The Arabs left only after the attempted annhilation of the Jews, which failed. (it should be noted that the leader of the Arabs was in fact an architect of Hitler’s Final Soluation, and hence were hardly ‘innocent’) And yet, the fact remains that there ARE Israeli Arabs, because Israel never had a policy of forcing Arabs off their land. There might have been isolated incidents otherwise, but far more Jews were forcefully kicked off their land in Arab nations. (witness the fact that the majority of Israel consists of Arab Jews)

    Moreover, in the larger context, every nation on earth was formed via some form of conquest. The fact that you claim somehow Israel is worse than any other nation (when it is more legitimate and BETTER than almost every nation) speaks to the sad propoganda you have been fed since birth.

    If you claim you support the Jews having a state, then you are a Zionist. You just do not realize it, because of the lies you have been fed, but it is true.

    .. following the expulsion of thousands of Palestinians and the conquest of their lands and homes. Gee, I wonder why the neighbour states were pissed off.. There’s a reason for everything, and especially with the forming of Israel, you never look at the reasons why this wasn’t supported from the beginning.

    A tip: There were many parts of land in Palestine that were bought legally by Jews. There were no protests over this. It was however when land started to get stolen when things got ugly. Funny how you never put this into consideration.

    HUH? The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem waged a jihad against the innocent Jews of the pre-state Israel. He was an architect of the Final Solution. This hatred of Israel and of Jews has absolutely nothing to do with anything that happened in 1948 and everything to do with Jew hatred.

    Furthermore, I have yet to speak to a single ‘anti-zionist’ who claims that the land purchases by Jews was fine, but the land won in war is not okay. Not a single person, and not a single publication (and I read a heck of a lot on this subject). You are the first ‘anti-zionist’ to say this. Most people would say legitimate land purchases are illegitimate, as it is illegitimate for dirty kaffirs to buy land on what is supposed to be “ummah” property. This is exampled in the laws forbidding Jews from purchasing land anywhere in the Middle East, except for Israel.

    Strange that after two Millenia of getting kicked out of Jerusalem by the Romans, people insisted that Jews had to return to the land, instead of repatriating into other countries.

    What is your point about this? After a couple of hundred year interruption, Jews had a continuous presence in Eretz Yisrael for over a thousand years AFTER the Roman near-annhilation. Jews pray towards Jerusalem in all synagogues around the world. I ask you this: if Muslims were kicked off Mecca, would you then say that the claim to Mecca is extinct after a while? Of course not. If your neighbor tried to massacre you, would you want to move back to the town which tried to kill you? Or would you rather live in your homeland?

    Beyond what I just mentioned, Israel was formed after a HOLOCAUST. SIX MILLION Jews were wiped off the map, including a million children. This showed that there was nowhere that was safe for Jews, except their homeland.

    Can you trace Jews back to Shem? Generally you can’t either.. So Jews are non-Semitic until proven otherwise as well. So as a solution I still suggest we stick with the more appropriate and correct term Judeophobia.

    I already noted that the term “anti-semite” has taken on a definition that is seperate from Jew hatred or Jew fear. You refuse to pay attention to this. Anti-semitism is a “racial” hatred of the Jews. “Judeophobia” is not. So you are simply factually wrong to claim that the term “Judeophobia” is interchangeable with “anti-semitism.”


  12. Damn, I forgot to throw the “religion” tag on this thread lol.

    /Learning a lot though.


  13. The foundation of Zionism does not involve kicking anyone off any land. The Arabs left only after the attempted annhilation of the Jews, which failed.

    When will you ever stop repeating that lie.. Our neighbours in our old house in Cairo were Palestinians that were driven out by force, and never got any right to return. They just wanted to live in peace, but oh-so-innocent Israel didn’t let them.

    But it’s all about Jews for you. Jews first, everyone else can just go f*** themselves.

    (it should be noted that the leader of the Arabs was in fact an architect of Hitler’s Final Soluation, and hence were hardly ‘innocent’)

    .. and so, the whole population had to be punished for that. Right. Here’s some collective guilt for you:
    The leader of the Americans launched two illegal wars on sovereign nations, a former leader of the Americans attacked another nation, and one before him killed hundreds of thousands of Japanese with two atomic bombs, hence Americans were and are still hardly innocent.

    (Your logic, not mine..)

    Furthermore, I have yet to speak to a single ‘anti-zionist’ who claims that the land purchases by Jews was fine, but the land won in war is not okay. Not a single person, and not a single publication (and I read a heck of a lot on this subject). You are the first ‘anti-zionist’ to say this

    Nice to know I’m special.

    Beyond what I just mentioned, Israel was formed after a HOLOCAUST. SIX MILLION Jews were wiped off the map, including a million children. This showed that there was nowhere that was safe for Jews, except their homeland.

    First off, the idea of Israel existed decades before any holocaust, and never did the brainfathers of Israel consider at any time that there are people living on the place where they planned to plant a new state.

    And really, there was no safe place on the planet for Jews? Not even America? The place where many Jewish Germans fled to?

    Me being fed propaganda. Really, you – of all people – should think very well before saying that. Your claim that the thousands of Palestinians left just to come back and tear up Israel is not an inch short of blatant propaganda.

    If you claim you support the Jews having a state, then you are a Zionist. You just do not realize it, because of the lies you have been fed, but it is true.

    I repeat: If forming a Jewish state comes hand-in-hand with expelling a population out of their homes, then I will NOT support it. There were many Jews living in Jerusalem alongside Muslims and Christians, and everything was fine. Why couldn’t the new generation of Jews assimilate instead? Would’ve worked a lot better if you ask me..

    if Muslims were kicked off Mecca, would you then say that the claim to Mecca is extinct after a while? Of course not. If your neighbor tried to massacre you, would you want to move back to the town which tried to kill you? Or would you rather live in your homeland?

    Is returning to a homeland incompatible with assimilating with the current population there? Or was it really necessary to kick out thousands of Palestinians from their homes, a practice which is still done today? (IDF soldiers “protecting” themselves against shepherds, cave dwellers, etc..”

    And now a counter-question: If Palestinians were kicked out of Palestine, does their claim to their homes go extinct after a short while? Especially when many of the people who were expelled are still alive to this day?

    I smell a double standard.

    I already noted that the term “anti-semite” has taken on a definition that is seperate from Jew hatred or Jew fear. You refuse to pay attention to this. Anti-semitism is a “racial” hatred of the Jews. “Judeophobia” is not. So you are simply factually wrong to claim that the term “Judeophobia” is interchangeable with “anti-semitism.”

    There is only one difference between a Jew and a non-Jew, and that is that a Jew adheres to the Jewish religion, a non-Jew doesn’t. Extremely simple. Therefore, there can’t be any difference between Judeophobia and “Anti-Semitism” as you understand it.
    And if Anti-Semitism is really a “racial” hatred, I’ll then assume that you can trace all Jews back to Shem. But you can’t, and you still haven’t said anything about this point. If I’m not eligible to be Semitic, then you aren’t either.

    Still waiting for somebody to buy the rights on the word “Semitic”

    Alright, now this time, I’m _really_ not saying any more on this topic. After 457398 times it’s getting old already.


  14. I will get to the rest later, but I have to respond to one big thing Sphinx does not get.

    I never said that Jews are a race. I never said Jews can trace their lineage to Shem. I said Jews are an ethnicity and a NATION, as well as a religion. Anti-semites wrongly say that Jews are a race. That is what distinguishes anti-semitism from Judeophobia. The term “anti-semitism” applies, because anti-semites use FALSE racial ways to castigate the Jewish people.


  15. As far as everything else goes…

    As I have already said, The ‘Palestinians’ (false ethnicity, so I prefer to put that in quotation marks) declared war on Israel on the very date of its inception. This was a war of attempted annhilation. They were offered a state, and turned it down. (preferring to attempt to annhilate the Jews of the time) They lost the war, which occurred more than 60 years ago. In every other situation on earth, attempted annhilators do not then get to pretend to be ‘victims’ after they fail to annhilate. Nazis cannot now lay claim to the Sudetenland, as an example. Moreover, grandchildren of attempted of annhilators cannot weep and sob that somehow they are denied a home. They are truly victims of the Arab states that do not repatriate them.

    Jews are not the ones who caused the ‘Palestinians’ (i.e., Arabs of Egyptian, Jordanian, and Syrian descent) to suffer. No, it is the Arab states who use them like pawns. The ‘Palestinians’ fled their homes in 1948 mostly because they were fleeing a war zone that was started by their very leaders, who they backed. They have no claim to the land at this time.

    I repeat. The state of Israel is the most legitimate on earth. No other nation was formed after 2,000 years of yearning by an ethnic group, following a Holocaust, whereby most of the land was legitimately purchased (OVERPAID!), and the rest won in wars of attempted annhilation. Moreover, it was the UN, an international body, that voted to create Israel.

    The sad thing is that the most legitimate nation on earth is seen as the least legitimate because of the horrible lies being taught as fact. Who suffers? The ‘Palestinians’ most of all, victims of their despotic leaders, and treated like cattle by fellow Arabs.


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  17. Charming idea

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