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Why Obama, Part III: Foreign Policy

January 28, 2008

For the third installment of the Chamber’s Why Obama series, I’ve picked the foreign policy issue.  The same format applies; this is right from the Obama website.   However, in the spirit of addressing a topic that arose in the comment section of Part II, I’m going to start off with a narrower focus.  For this thread, I’m going to paste a section of an Obama speech on his ideas for restoring American leadership.  (All other aspects of Obama’s foreign policy positions and statements are fair game in this discussion and can be found here, but I’ve decided to start with this particular component).  From the 4/23/07 speech:

The horrific attacks on that clear September day awakened us to this new reality. And after 9/11, millions around the world were ready to stand with us. They were willing to rally to our cause because it was their cause too – because they knew that if America led the world toward a new era of global cooperation, it would advance the security of people in our nation and all nations.

We now know how badly this Administration squandered that opportunity. In 2002, I stated my opposition to the war in Iraq, not only because it was an unnecessary diversion from the struggle against the terrorists who attacked us on September 11th, but also because it was based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the threats that 9/11 brought to light. I believed then, and believe now, that it was based on old ideologies and outdated strategies – a determination to fight a 21st century struggle with a 20th century mindset.obama08_thumblogo100.gif

There is no doubt that the mistakes of the past six years have made our current task more difficult. World opinion has turned against us. And after all the lives lost and the billions of dollars spent, many Americans may find it tempting to turn inward, and cede our claim of leadership in world affairs.

I insist, however, that such an abandonment of our leadership is a mistake we must not make. America cannot meet the threats of this century alone, but the world cannot meet them without America. We must neither retreat from the world nor try to bully it into submission – we must lead the world, by deed and example.

We must lead by building a 21st century military to ensure the security of our people and advance the security of all people. We must lead by marshalling a global effort to stop the spread of the world’s most dangerous weapons. We must lead by building and strengthening the partnerships and alliances necessary to meet our common challenges and defeat our common threats.

And America must lead by reaching out to all those living disconnected lives of despair in the world’s forgotten corners – because while there will always be those who succumb to hate and strap bombs to their bodies, there are millions more who want to take another path – who want our beacon of hope to shine its light their way.

This election offers us the chance to turn the page and open a new chapter in American leadership. The disappointment that so many around the world feel toward America right now is only a testament to the high expectations they hold for us. We must meet those expectations again, not because being respected is an end in itself, but because the security of America and the wider world demands it.

This will require a new spirit – not of bluster and bombast, but of quiet confidence and sober intelligence, a spirit of care and renewed competence. It will also require a new leader. And as a candidate for President of the United States, I am asking you to entrust me with that responsibility.

Obama goes on to propose five ways this can be accomplished, but in the interests of brevity, and to start the discussion, I’m going to address the small portion I bolded above.  There may be those out there who feel that our position hasn’t really changed, and the idea that Bush has made the U.S. is less popular globally is a myth and a concoction of the MSM.  I suppose if we’re going to address “restoring” something, we should probably get this right out of the way first.  So, to support Obama’s contention, I’m going to start with a single graphic:

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Poll:

· ICM interviewed a random sample of 1,010 adults by telephone from October 27-30. Interviews were conducted across the country and the results have been weighted to the profile of all adults. Polling was by phone in Canada (sample 1,007), Israel (1,078) and Mexico (1,010)

In other words, its not just the Mayans. From Italy to India, from Thailand to Turkey, from Germany to Greece, there’s a pretty consistent message going out.  We could use some help in this category, to say the least.  There’s a reason why international interest in who will replace Bush has reached unprecedented levels.  I’m glad that Obama speaks honestly and frankly about it, and I think he’s got the best ideas for turning this around. 

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47 comments

  1. If this isn’t some rigged poll, and most are, all this does is show how incredibly stupid much of the world really is, how corrupt things have gotten, why entities such as the feckless UN are actually helping to destroy us, and why I am not the least bit concerned what the rest of the world thinks. In fact, when most of the world starts complimenting us, then I’ll get worried.

    Kim Jong-Il has starved a great majority of his own people to death – so much so, that I understand even much of the wildlife is disappearing. He threatens to nuke South Korea on a weekly basis and might have the means to do so. Yet, Bush is the danger.

    Reality to “progressives” is unimportant. And why many of my friends and I are quietly trying our utmost to figure out how to split this country peacefully so we can leave some of you to your own false pretenses and not having to worry about us warmongers anymore.


  2. It’s not the U.N. destroying us.

    It’s our jingoistic policies based on selfish economic gain.

    Just like that article you posted a link to, with the military leader blogging about how the only way to succeed as a country, is to invade Iran, and force the Middle East into a democracy.

    I’m sorry, but empire building is often looked down upon around the world. You can’t win by killing everyone because you feel they are a threat.

    And it’s nice to know there are people working on breaking up this great coutnry of ours, simply because you don’t like the way other people think. It’s so nice to know that a bunch “good christians” are looking out for us all.


  3. And it’s nice to know there are people working on breaking up this great coutnry of ours, simply because you don’t like the way other people think. It’s so nice to know that a bunch “good christians” are looking out for us all.

    Sliquid, it’s a matter of survival for future generations like our children. It’s not simply the way you think but what you do. We don’t believe many people are capable of taking care of themselves or their own, much less the ideals we believe this country was founded. We believe many of you are traitors and freeloaders, at best amoral. We believe many of you hate our military. You’ve proven that time and time again.

    Besides, I did say peacefully. We are not talking about subverting anything – simply quietly beginning to remove ourselves from your midst and letting you have at it.

    Happens all the time – you have heard of the suburbs, haven’t you? Well, think larger and bigger scale. We’re going to live you live in the squalor you create – but at sometime, we are going to refuse the bill for all your problems.

    Where is this empire building you speak of? That line it the most total crock of crap I’ve witnessed at this website and the reason I disdain your type. America is the least imperialistic country of any influence in the history of man. This is the stupidity I speak of – you can’t work with people that make ignorant statements like that. I don’t even bother anymore.


  4. Sliquid, it’s a matter of survival for future generations like our children. It’s not simply the way you think but what you do. We don’t believe many people are capable of taking care of themselves or their own, much less the ideals we believe this country was founded. We believe many of you are traitors and freeloaders, at best amoral. We believe many of you hate our military. You’ve proven that time and time again.

    First off, don’t categorize me. You don’t know me. You don’t know shit about me or who I am, or what I believe. I don’t free load off of anyone. I pay my taxes and work my ass off. You want to talk about freeloading? I hope you don’t take Social Security when your older, cause why should I have to pay for someone who doesn’t save for their future?

    Secondly, it’s not very Christ like now is it? Last time I checked it’s not up to you to judge people.

    Third, who the hell do you think you are that you are so high and mighty, and that you get to dictate how others live their lives? Do you honestly think your shit doesn’t stink? What happened to free will and live and let live?

    You can spout off all the evangelical right wing crap you want, it doesn’t make you right.
    Last time I checked it’s a free country founded on the idea of being free. Dissent is patriotic and questioning the government is not treasonous.

    Besides, I did say peacefully. We are not talking about subverting anything – simply quietly beginning to remove ourselves from your midst and letting you have at it.

    In that case, could you all go somewhere else all together? I really don’t mind if you leave. Our country would be better off.

    Happens all the time – you have heard of the suburbs, haven’t you? Well, think larger and bigger scale. We’re going to live you live in the squalor you create – but at sometime, we are going to refuse the bill for all your problems.

    Right. Without people like me, the country wouldn’t be where it’s at. Like it or not, but if everyone you deem to be trash (anyone who isn’t you or your people) stopped working or contributing, you would end up living in squalor. Face it man, this country is built on the backs of millions of people, all different from the next, liberals and conservaturds..

    Where is this empire building you speak of? That line it the most total crock of crap I’ve witnessed at this website and the reason I disdain your type. America is the least imperialistic country of any influence in the history of man. This is the stupidity I speak of – you can’t work with people that make ignorant statements like that. I don’t even bother anymore.

    When you’re going around the Middle East starting wars and setting up puppet governments and nation building, based on your own national security or national interests, you are seen as imperialists. Not in the true form or definition of the word, but in the sense of perspective.

    I know you don’t like to look outside your nice little bubble, but I’m sorry to say that is how we are perceived. You see, what is stupid and ignorant, is claiming that you don’t care what the rest of the world thinks about you, but then whining about the U.S. being destroyed by it.

    Sorry, but if you want to make peace with the world and make America safer, you don’t go around bombing people at will and setting up puppet governments in places where you are not welcome. You don’t tell people that you will support them overthrow a ruthless dictator, then turn your back on them when they do, just to let them die.(Bush #1)
    Sorry, but National Security starts at home.

    Your narrow minded world view is so ridiculously selfish and hypocritical it’s not funny.

    You claim to love America, but you hate Americans.

    You claim to be a man of god, but support murder.

    You don’t care what the world thinks until they are blowing up our buildings, then it’s the U.N.’s fault.

    You whine about the U.S. being split apart, but won’t do anything to mend it. You actually do the opposite and want to split it even further.

    And then to top it all off, you’re so steadfast in your own ridiculous views, that you can’t see any other perspective, and don’t care to. Like an old dog that just doesn’t want to learn new tricks. Can’t see the forest for the trees, everyone is wrong but you.

    Here is an idea, if you don’t want to bother, then don’t. If you want to cry about how everyone who isn’t a Christian is ruining your world, then get used to it. Christ isn’t going to save us.
    .


  5. Sliquid,

    You’re just smart enough to be a useful idiot. Anybody that thinks America is an empire builder in the middle east is not only a moron but an American hating one to boot. Trust me, I whine about nothing besides I can’t put enough distance between the two of us. I think you a fool and I disdain your thought process.

    And as far as savings, I wouldn’t worry about us too much. Considering both my wife and I have been maximizing FICA for years and doubt little or nothing will be left after trying to support you lib leeches, we don’t depend on it.

    But you do give me a giggle. Plus, this has given Chen a chance to try out his new zapper gravatars.


  6. Tex-

    Plus, this has given Chen a chance to try out his new zapper gravatars.

    Indeed, although I wonder if, after this thread, I need to come up with a few more. You managed to detour in to one heck of a rant there. I was kind hoping you were going to expand on how this was all Hugo Chavez’ fault.


  7. Chenzen,

    Much like your politics, your judgment of a “wonder palm” is about questionable. Let’s see, was it the:

    Third, who the hell do you think you are that you are so high and mighty, and that you get to dictate how others live their lives? Do you honestly think your shit doesn’t stink? What happened to free will and live and let live? If that’s a palm, I’m the Pope.

    Your bias is why I infrequently post on a libbie site such as this. I think I’ll leave you and Squalor Sliquid to your own means. You for your bias; he because he’s hopeless. That way, you can keep slapping each other on the back about how wonderful each of you are at the circle jerk. However, one notice before I go.

    You will note your comments have increased dramatically…you might want to rethink about how you judge if you really want real debate.

    As it is, I leave you to your friends.


  8. Tex- Sliquid was awarded the wonder palm primarily because he forced you to resort to little more than “idiot”, “moron” and “fool”, combined with the comprehensiveness of his response. In other words, Sliq’s post probably wan’t palm-worthy on its own merits, but your reaction tipped the scale. I was trying to be objective.

    Besides, I got the impression that you wanted me try the gravatars out, so don’t get all poopypants that I actually did.

    Anyway, If you really want to take off, fine. I can’t keep you here. I guess all I can say is thanks for comin by, and I liked havin you. But remember that the Iron Monkey survived the wonder palm, and returned to defeat the evil monk at the end of the movie.


  9. Chen, I will give you one final example of exactly how blind and biased I believe you are and not just about politics. Consider this statement:

    If you want to cry about how everyone who isn’t a Christian is ruining your world, then get used to it. Christ isn’t going to save us.

    The comment doesn’t bother me coming from someone like Sliquid because I’ve heard it all before and I consider folks like Sliquid dumb, bigoted and theologically lame. I’ve always told people to believe as they must.

    I actually used Christ as example in a previous thread and Sliquid is such a lowlife, he actually tried to use it against me as insult. It’s a feeble attempt to annoy. So what. But if you were to reread the thread, you might recognize that Christ was never mentioned by me on this one. If that is your idea of objectivity deserving of your precocious symbol, if somehow this is relevant to the subject at hand, you might want to revisit what objective means.

    See, when someone begins to resort to that, there can be no debate which was my main purpose being here, ad hominem or not. I was actually curious about why anybody felt Obama qualified. I obviously think he is woefully unqualified and a closet racist.

    I could stay here and one up folks like Sliquid easily – but you’re not going to like it. Trust me, I could say things that would bait him like he’s never been baited before and if he wants to come over to some lame site like LGF Watch, I’ll prove it to him. I do it occasionally to the Jew hating crowd there once or twice a week just to make them dance.

    But I didn’t want to do that here because you’ve been a nice guy and I really think mean well and are truly interested in learning – no matter how confused or naive I think you are. I have had fun for a few weeks. Take care…


  10. The President did a good job on the SOTU tonight. He looked energetic, like the weight of Iraq has been lifted from him.
    Plus, he pissed off a bunch of Lefties…which is always good!


  11. Sage- More like he’s glad all the media attention has been on the candidates vying to replace him. Sometimes I wish he’d just stop with all the goofy facial expressions and smirks.


  12. Sometimes I wish he’d just stop with all the goofy facial expressions and smirks.

    Yeah, but he pissed off the Lefties (including you) and that’s all I care about :’)

    And what was with all that blinking by Pelosi? Was it some kind of Morse code?


  13. BTW Chen, some of us do miss you over at the Football.


  14. And what was with all that blinking by Pelosi? Was it some kind of Morse code?

    LOL yea….I think I caught it:

    S-O-S

    C-H-E-N-E-Y B-R-E-A-T-H S-T-I-N-K-S

    P-L-E-A-S-E H-E-L-P


  15. I think it was more like:

    W-E
    A-R-E
    S-U-R-R-E-N-D-E-R-I-N-G
    A-S F-A-S-T A-S
    W-E C-A-N

    Cheney was a cool as a cucumber. I was waiting for him to lean over and slap her upside the head, and then sit back down as if nothing ever happened.


  16. BTW Chen, some of us do miss you over at the Football.

    Aw Sage! That’s nice of you to say. Honestly though, I’m glad I turned in my sockpuppet. I could have posted over there indefinately, I suppose, but it just wasn’t going to be the same.

    Ah well, it’s all good. I’m just a click away, after all. 🙂 Stop on by any time. But I hope that, by commenting here, you’re not risking any loss to your lizard cred. There seems to be a taboo attached to commenting on banned members’ sites.


  17. Ah well, it’s all good. I’m just a click away, after all. 🙂 Stop on by any time. But I hope that, by commenting here, you’re not risking any loss to your lizard cred. There seems to be a taboo attached to commenting on banned members’ sites.

    I don’t think that will be a problem Chen. You weren’t in the same league as a lot of the others who were banned. You did have a different perspective then most of the others there, but you were never an asshole about it.
    When I get a chance I will read all of your Obama posts. I actually do like the guy on a personal level, he seems to be a nice guy, I just don’t agree with him on policy. Maybe your posts will change my mind? I do admit that I have HDS (Hillary derangement syndrome) the same way that you have BDS.


  18. Where is this empire building you speak of? That line it the most total crock of crap I’ve witnessed at this website and the reason I disdain your type. America is the least imperialistic country of any influence in the history of man.

    That’s an extraordinary statement, considering none of the other imperial powers operated in a world as globalised as ours. America has to be the most powerful empire ever when you look at it from that perspective.


  19. Bin Laden hasn’t proved much of a threat to world peace. Since 911, he’s been involved in very little. Kim-jong Il is a dictator but how many countries has he invaded? The biggest threat to world peace is Bush, gone to war twice, threatened war with Iran and Syria, and encouraged Israel to wage war on Lebanon. Bush is a President with behavioural problems.


  20. Bin Laden hasn’t proved much of a threat to world peace. Since 911, he’s been involved in very little. Kim-jong Il is a dictator but how many countries has he invaded? The biggest threat to world peace is Bush, gone to war twice, threatened war with Iran and Syria, and encouraged Israel to wage war on Lebanon. Bush is a President with behavioural problems.

    Blah, blah, blah, blah….
    More Lefty (I hate my country) rhetoric.


  21. Sage- Actually, Steph is one of our European WPPBA correspondents, so she would kinda be reiterating the point here.

    But in fairness, this was also on the poll:

    The US leader and close ally of Tony Blair is seen in Britain as a more dangerous man than the president of Iran (62% think he is a danger), the North Korean leader (69%) and the leader of Hizbullah, Hassan Nasrallah (65%).


  22. Hey Chen, do you have a gravitar for a “Giagantic Douche Bag who can’t argue for shit but feels he has “one upped” someone who served his ass up???

    I think it would fit Tex well.

    LMK

    and sorry to divert the post…lol


  23. I’m sorry but I’m still laughing my ass off…

    I guess Tex couldn’t stand the heat, so he had to retreat back to his butt-buddies.

    “Come join me at LGF”…lol That’s about as intellectually stimulating as scrathing my ass.

    Oh, and I hate America. That’s cute. No wonder why politics are where they are. No one can have a civil conversation with out some dummy flying off the handle when he can’t make a valid argument.

    The good thing about Obama is that he would go a long way to reparing our image around the world.
    And who knows, a little peaceful deplomacy may just go a long way to repair that negative image. I am allowed to say that with out being labeld anti-American? I mean, it’s not like I like to travel the world with out worrying about my ass being blow off simply because our fucked up GOVERNMENT (note, completely seperate from the people or nation)doesn’t know how to make peace with brown people.

    Anyway…I guess Tex “loves the U.S. Gov, but hates Americans”…while I “love America and Americans, but hate the government”…which one is more of an America hater?


  24. Hey Chenzen,

    Does the above statement from Squalor, I mean Sliquid, qualify as an ad hominem since I guess the genius is referring to me as a homosexual, never mind the wife and kids? Or Chen, does that win one of your palms too?

    It’s hard to tell with Sliquid when he’s attempting to insult because he writes in ebonics. Kind of explains why he and his inbred kin in N.O. can’t get anything accomplished either. I think I will stick for a bit if you don’t mind Chen to teach this uneducated, pagan punk a lesson? And add another symbol to your list. When this one is thru, you’ll be needing “the bird” and I’m not talking the flying type.

    Sliquid, first lesson of the day: diplomacy It isn’t spelled with an ‘e’ dipshit. And separate, two “e’s” dummy, not three. If you’re going to attempt to insult, learn to spell first.

    And it was LGF Watch. Reading comprehension doesn’t seem to be your bag either. They’d boot your stupid, worthless ass from LGF so fast, you wouldn’t last three posts. When you entered the room, it would be like some 97lbs weakling with a sign on his back that read “KICK ME – I’M AN IDIOT.” I wouldn’t dare send you there because they’d be packing your fudge brother and laughing while doing so.

    I was going to try and save Chen’s blog from further moronic turds you lay with each post but okay, I’ll bite. However, you really ought to come on over to LGF Watch if you want to attempt one up me – you’d fit right in with your Jew hating, American loathing buddies.


  25. You need to take some anger management classes Douchy La’Rue.

    I mean, if this “ebonics speaking (LOL), squalor living (EVEN more LOL), misspelling dummy (ohhh let’s attack typo’s now, I wrote ahead of myself and didn’t spell check it like you do), who is a “Pagan” (don’t know where you go that from, I’m an atheist)”Jew hating” (again, I have no Idea where you got that from, friends with many Jews), “American hating” (of course, you’re the only American hater on here as you’re showing us know), “97 pound weakling” (I’m sure you’re a real “tough guy” lol) got your stupid ass so worked up, then that says amore about you, than anything. I mean look at you, you’re pathetic. You can’t even debate someone with a different p.o.v. without blowing up like some roid raging jock.

    It’s actually quite funny. Here you are stroking your own intellectual ego all while making yourself look like a big ass. Way to go. Another keyboard cowboy trying to act hard. I’m sure your just a worthless old fart who does nothing but sit a computer all day stalking “liberals” on the “internets” just to make yourself feel bigger and better than you really are, because your life is so pathetic at this point that you have nothing better to do.

    If acting like a child is what makes you better than me, then I’m okay with that.

    Good luck with that high blood pressure and tell your funboys over at LGF about how you “served” me up. I’m sure you will get a nice salad tossing.
    LOL!


  26. Oh dang it, once again I screwed up. Silly me.

    I meant to say (as you’re showing us NOW).

    Yes, I KNOW the difference between KNOW and NOW.

    Sorry Tex Gaylor.

    And Sorry Chen that this turned into what it has. I didn’t realize that stating my p.o.v. would be such a big deal.


  27. I’m putting the gravatars back in the holster for the remainder of this thread, as I’m not that excited about where this is going. If there is a chance that this thread could get back on topic, I’d welcome it.

    I suppose I’ll hold myself partially responsible, as it appears that I put Tex on the ropes right out of the gate. Ironically, however, this has inspired the creation of a new emblem. Stay tuned…


  28. Squalor,

    I’ll assure you debating some some useless, inbred flunkie with the vocabulary of a high school dropout and the spelling ability of a baboon doesn’t raise my blood pressure a bit. It’s actually liberating to debate some idiot and helps to lower my blood pressure – like throwing balls at the bullseye to drop the clown in the water. I don’t even have to pay for this!

    The hard part is picking a subject you know anything about so we can debate. I haven’t found that yet. Your lame stab of “typos” is laughable. Face it, you’re an uneducated moron and now a published liar trying to weasel into some alibi to excuse your inability to spell. I won’t even mention your grammar – it’s almost incomprehensible. You need to can the repetitive LOL. It makes you look weak. {LOL blah blah blah LOL blah blah blah LOL}. Looks like something out of kid’s Facebook.

    What was that line from First Blood Chenzhen? Hey. If you’re looking for trouble, you’ve come to the right place buddy. Something like that and I ain’t facing off with Rambo this time – more like Gomer Pyle. So let her rip Squalor. I need some new ammunition.


  29. And Chenzhen,

    If you’re going to be fair for once, read up before Sqaulor started throwing up the white flag with his feeble apology. I didn’t start the fight with this punk – but I am going to finish it with your permission; gravatars or no gravatars.

    I warned you that you weren’t going to like it.


  30. In light of constant attacks on Sen. Obama based around rumors being thrown around certain non-ChenZhen blogs of late (and not to be a blog-pimp), the Obama Campaign has asked me to circulate his rebuttal to the “madrassah rumor” as much as I could and share it with as many Obama supporters or at least those defending against wild accusations against Senator Obama online. So Chen, you can leave this in the comments or delete this and repost the letter, which was a reply to one sent by me through the MySpace messaging to the Obama page there. I reposted it here.

    Chen, interesting, you should tell me your LGF story at some point. I’m afraid I was unaware of you being there. And do feel free to put a blog pimp stamp on this….LOL.


  31. Tex,

    I’m not quite sure what “debating some some useless” means. I guess you are showing us your “mastery of English and grammar” right? I must assume that, since you’re so perfect that you don’t make typos…

    Inbred- No
    Flunky- No (btw, you spelled it wrong, nanny nanny boo bo)
    Vocab – Yeah, words like “moronic turd”, and “inbred flunkie” are so much more eloquent than these monosyllabic words I keep using. I guess don’t see anything special about your vocabulary. I guess if you think spewing filthy, childish names, shows what kind of mastery of the English language you have, then you’re doing a great job. Keep up the good work there big guy. You’re a shining beacon for future generations of “Christ-like” “moral” people.

    Debating? I have yet to see you do it. I have, however, seen you fly off the handle and start in with the ad homonym attacks when you couldn’t handle what I said. I realize you think your a big “tough guy” online, but I assure you, your “skills” don’t impress me. You’re a typical close minded fundamentalist. It’s funny that can you call me a bigot, and yet here you are “slamming” the poor, gays, liberals, pagans, “Anti-American jew haters” and anyone who doesn’t agree with you. A bigot is defined as “a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own.”

    Your true colors have been exposed for exactly what they are. Way to go.

    =======================
    Back to the subject. Last night I had the pleasure of hearing Lieutenant Commander Charles Swift speak at a local college. It was amazing that a lot of what he has done, and a lot of what he was talking about was right in line with this. (He’s the “America hater” who is fighting for the basic right of habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.

    His main point, which is what I have been saying for years, is that this is a battle for the minds of the people of the Middle East. The biggest enemy of people like Bin Laden, are the people we need to win over. We cannot win them over by bombing them and invading them at will. We must lead by example, or we are no better than the people who are willing to chop your head off. It was nice to get some kind of redemption.

    Chen, I think you would have enjoyed it. If he comes around to your area, you should check him out. I think he validated a lot of what we have been saying for the last 5 years.


  32. there I go again…ad hominem…what ever will I do with myself?


  33. Squalor,

    I had to check back to see what sardonic grain of wisdom you had left for the world today. I wasn’t disappointed. Some some…well, let’s see. I can use your previous post for finding an alibi.

    Why I was only using it for effect (LOL)…I, I, I was typing ahead of myself (LOL ROFLMAO) {probably helps to explain why your typing and spelling so bad because your brain generates such little neural activity, your fingers move faster than you can put two thoughts together}, I, I, I, it was clearly a typo (LOL), you’re so nasty your blood pressure is rising you old religious fart!!! (LOL…laughing my ass off at your stupidity Tex LOL LOL LOL!). 😀 LOL!

    How’s that work for you sport? That’s my first stab at Sqaulor’s new form of ebonic typing. And as usual, you’re wrong in your feckless accusation of misspelling slang: (flunkie, flunky; who cares how you spell it?)

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Flunkie

    But since you mention it:

    “a bitch, a follower, a gopher” I couldn’t have said that better myself. Now that is worth laughing about.

    P.S. Debating? I have yet to see you do it. I have, however, seen you fly off the handle and start in with the ad homonym attacks when you couldn’t handle what I said.

    Let me provide your second educational lesson here on the board: Here, try this genius…

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ad+homonym

    Please note the “often confused with ‘ad hominem.’ “ As you typed thru your spell checker the first go around to cut and paste…you got to work pretty hard to miss that one in a post since the Chenster has even provided the proper spelling for you (look right). Something tells me that phrase isn’t in your normal lexicon, now is it? That’s what happens when punks get in over their head. To appear smart, they over extend themselves. Or, I suppose that was a typo too? I might have you correcting for a very long time Squalor.

    You couldn’t leave well enough alone and had to mock me after I left. Now, if you wish to simply debate without bringing religion into the situation unless discussed in a civil manner, I’ll knock this pedantic crap off and address you by your proper name. You wish to keep being a smart ass and I’ll one up your ignorance every time. Which is it?


  34. Chen,

    You let that one stand and I’ll leave this punk alone. The point has been made.

    And Sliquid is right about one thing. We could sure use something to preview before we post.


  35. Sliquid,

    I’ll make one reasonable post while I’m still waiting for our selective moderator to allow a “posted reading” for your amusement, probably because of the length, links or lefty moderation bias. So if it appears, you will understand. I once again had to show you to be a little thick, and once again had to help you with definition in my post that awaits.

    ——

    This statement used in your context from your last read I believe to be a non sequitur:

    A bigot is defined as “a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own.”

    So what? You label me a bigot because I disagree with you on a blog? “I guess Tex couldn’t stand the heat, so he had to retreat back to his butt-buddies”; your words as you accuse me of slamming gays, after thinking I had left? I was just following your sterling example; cowardly and hypocritical. Just last week you were complimenting me about my stance on immigration. So would make me what; a part-time bigot?

    I believe you’re confusing tolerance with acceptance, hence the illogic. Big difference. But if you want to label me a bigot, I’ll wear the badge with honor. Sure would like to understand how that differs from your blanket hatred of Christianity, though? And don’t give me the baloney about all your Christian friends either. That’s kind of like the Klan saying “we don’t really hate n***, just don’t want them around.” Doesn’t work.

    One last thing. Did you know that God doesn’t believe in your atheism? I had forgotten all about this…and spoken from your Maker.

    Romans 1:19-20

    Since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

    Sliquid, that includes you. Truth. Makes no difference if you believe it or not, doesn’t change a thing.


  36. Oh CHENZHEN, bless you! Did you know you’re my hero? I knew you better than to selectively post. You didn’t disappoint.

    In fact Chen, you may be my favorite lib. 😀


  37. Just for the record, comments with 2+ links get caught in the spam filter and await my approval.

    hmmm…that gets me thinking. I should probably have a clear comment page that explains some of this stuff so that there’s no confusion. It seems kinda silly, but you’re better off posting 2 comments if you have 2 links. (I could change the filter setting to allow more, but the spam would increase exponentially)

    Anyway, since this thread is already a flame war, have at it.


  38. Anyway, since this thread is already a flame war, have at it.

    You’re a good man…for an Obama supporter. :beer:

    And I was just pulling your strings.


  39. Lex-

    In light of constant attacks on Sen. Obama based around rumors being thrown around certain non-ChenZhen blogs of late (and not to be a blog-pimp), the Obama Campaign has asked me to circulate his rebuttal to the “madrassah rumor” as much as I could and share it with as many Obama supporters or at least those defending against wild accusations against Senator Obama online. So Chen, you can leave this in the comments or delete this and repost the letter, which was a reply to one sent by me through the MySpace messaging to the Obama page there. I reposted it here.

    Chen, interesting, you should tell me your LGF story at some point. I’m afraid I was unaware of you being there. And do feel free to put a blog pimp stamp on this….LOL.

    I don’t consider that a blog pimp. This is a thread about Obama, and you posted a link to your blog about Obama (i.e. relevant to the discussion and with the purpose of expanding on it).

    As far as my LGF days go, well, they’re behind me. But if you really want to know the story, it’s pretty easy. All you have to do is click the “lgf” tag in my sidebar and it will pull up everything I’ve ever posted here that had something to do with them. I also had a welcome page for visiting lizards, and there is quite a bit consolidated on there as well.


  40. Tex,

    As I said before, you are letting your true colors shine on through. I find it very telling that I have left points of debate on the subject at hand in my previous posts, and you have done nothing but attack my grammar or spelling, all while calling me childish names. When all else fails, attack the poster instead of the message. I’ve seen it many times before. It’s a “great” tactic. The sad part is it just shows people who you really are. If that’s what gets you off, then more power to you I guess.

    Here is the thing. I am not afraid of people like you and I don’t back down easy (Chen can attest to that). You may feel you have gotten the upper hand but I assure you, your feeble attempts to discredit me have been nothing but glancing blows at best. I know who I am, and the people who know me know who and what I am, so what some yokel on the “internets” thinks about me doesn’t really affect me. I know you wouldn’t be talking to me like that face to face.

    As far as some inaccuracies in your last posts go…

    I don’t hate America. I love America, I don’t like the assholes in charge. How that differs from you, is that I don’t hate people who don’t think like me, as you do. I don’t hate you, but I do pity you.

    I don’t hate Christianity or Christians. There just happens to be a lot of assholes who claim to be Christians that I don’t like. It’s the hypocrites like your self that give the good ones a bad name.

    I don’t hate Jews. I shouldn’t have to defend that one anyway, as that was some made up shit you threw out there.

    As far as speaking ebonics…I’m not so sure you know what ebonics are, as I certainly haven’t been speaking it. I would figure with someone as yourself with such a “mastery” of the English language, would have come up with something a little cleverer than that. Something stupid like “Squalibonics” or something ‘tarded like that.

    Errr I’m sorry, it’s soo funny, that because I was laughing my ass off in one post, as I was mocking your idiocy, that I am now guilty of “speaking ebonics”. Man you are clever.

    As far as “confusing tolerance with acceptance” goes…What a crock of shit. You are an intolerant fundamentalist. You can disguise it how ever you want, but I’m going to call a spade a spade. I guess if it helps you sleep at night, you can call it whatever you want, but it’s painfully obvious to anyone else what you are.

    And one last thing…did you know I don’t believe in God? Only Christians go to hell, so I’m not all that worried.

    ===================

    I still stand by my original statement that a good part of the world see’s as imperialists. If we are going to say we don’t care about what the rest of the world thinks, then we are only doing more harm than good.


  41. I have left points of debate on the subject at hand in my previous posts, and you have done nothing but attack my grammar or spelling,

    No, you’re a little confused. What’s new? I originally left my opinion and you proceeded to whine about how mean and cruel I am. I don’t debate with you because you’re petty and immature. You prattle and snivel about some message of personal victimhood and that’s as far as it gets. Frankly, you bore me unless I’m slapping you around.

    I don’t hate Christianity or Christians… followed by…You are an intolerant fundamentalist.

    I CAN FEEL THE LOVE SLIQUID…and you obviously still don’t understand the meaning of tolerance even after you’ve read the definition.

    Something stupid like “Squalibonics” or something ‘tarded like that.

    Chen, if I ever start to write or think this way, just shoot me.

    I know you wouldn’t be talking to me like that face to face.

    Oh, how little you know me. Trust me on this one, it would be far easier than leaving some message. But your faux bravery is par for the course.

    And one last thing…did you know I don’t believe in God? Only Christians go to hell, so I’m not all that worried.

    You sure do dwell on it for someone that doesn’t worry…however, I’m not fit to be the eternal judge. Believe as you must.

    I still stand by my original statement that a good part of the world see’s as imperialists..

    You worry far too much what the rest of the world thinks. But I do think you would be a good fit in the Islamic Dominion as a bleating sheep. Just remember how to submit, pray to the east and the rules of sharia; you’ll be fine.

    Look Sliquid, I’m going to leave you alone because I’m totally convinced you’re just a young rube with a raging case of BDS and a chip on his shoulder. You’ll change, sooner or later. They always do. And I still say you’d fit right in at LGF Watch with the rest of the neo-pagan, American loathing, military hatin’, terrorist appeasing crowd. Of course, some of them are far wiser than you, so you’ll need to practice a bit. Just keep your spell check handy.


  42. Wow, you couldn’t be more wrong if you tried.


  43. No, you’re a little confused. What’s new? I originally left my opinion and you proceeded to whine about how mean and cruel I am. I don’t debate with you because you’re petty and immature. You prattle and snivel about some message of personal victimhood and that’s as far as it gets. Frankly, you bore me unless I’m slapping you around.

    Apparently you’re the one who is confused. You left your opinion, and I left mine. No mention of how cruel and mean you were. I did however point out the blatant hypocrisy of your ideals. Then you went all Cartman on me. It seems to be your M.O. You leave an “opinion” then when someone challenges it you start in with the name calling.

    And you want to talk about being petty and childish? I didn’t even have to call you ONE childish name for you to fly off the handle and start in with the flames. Don’t even try to pretend that you are “above” being petty or immature.

    I CAN FEEL THE LOVE SLIQUID…and you obviously still don’t understand the meaning of tolerance even after you’ve read the definition.

    Love? Ha. You are what you are and it doesn’t take anyone with half a brain to see that you are an intolerant fundamentalist. Wear it proud. I don’t hate you for it. I think it’s pathetic, but hate is a rather strong word. If you’re going to just sit here and stereotype me to no end, than you will feel no love…just me slapping my dick in your face again and again…You love it anyway.

    Chen, if I ever start to write or think this way, just shoot me.

    meh

    Oh, how little you know me. Trust me on this one, it would be far easier than leaving some message. But your faux bravery is par for the course.

    There is no faux bravery. You don’t scare me. And face to face I am sure you are nothing more than a little bitch. That’s why you are here, trying to assert your “dominance”. It’s because in real life you’re nothing.

    You sure do dwell on it for someone that doesn’t worry…however, I’m not fit to be the eternal judge. Believe as you must.

    Dwell on it? You brought it up, dummy.

    You worry far too much what the rest of the world thinks.

    Yeah, sorry I’m a little more refined and well traveled than you. Sorry that I have to watch my back a lot more now than I ever did before when traveling the world, because of what our government has done, and is doing.
    You may be intentionally obtuse, or maybe you just don’t care, but the reason we are where we are as a country, is partly because of what the world thinks of us. If you choose to ignore that we depend on the world for survival, then you are definitely as smart as you seem to believe you are.

    But I do think you would be a good fit in the Islamic Dominion as a bleating sheep. Just remember how to submit, pray to the east and the rules of sharia; you’ll be fine.

    Wow, another brilliant attack. Sorry, but I don’t think I would fit in. I’m a free thinker. They would much rather fundamentalist sheep like your self.

    Look Sliquid, I’m going to leave you alone because I’m totally convinced you’re just a young rube with a raging case of BDS and a chip on his shoulder. You’ll change, sooner or later. They always do. And I still say you’d fit right in at LGF Watch with the rest of the neo-pagan, American loathing, military hatin’, terrorist appeasing crowd. Of course, some of them are far wiser than you, so you’ll need to practice a bit. Just keep your spell check handy.

    Once again, your true ignorance is astonishing. You know absolutely nothing about me, but you insist you know me.

    Wow, if only I could be as “great” as you. Maybe one day, but if it ever happens, I’m going to blow my brains out. (Yup. I’m pro-gun) lol


  44. Squalor, you’re like flies on the potato salad.

    Yeah, sorry I’m a little more refined and well traveled than you.

    GUFFAW! You’re a slacker with an obviously insignificant job whose only access to a computer is at work and the public library. That would also make you a thief.

    They probably banned you at the library because you couldn’t keep two hands on the keyboard. Scared of me? Believe me, when I see you coming I’d run like I do from the panhandlers. And I damn sure don’t want you in my neighborhood, mainly because of the small children.

    You’re a mooch and a freeloader.


  45. “Squalor, you’re like flies on the potato salad.

    Yeah, sorry I’m a little more refined and well traveled than you.

    GUFFAW! You’re a slacker with an obviously insignificant job whose only access to a computer is at work and the public library. That would also make you a thief.

    They probably banned you at the library because you couldn’t keep two hands on the keyboard. Scared of me? Believe me, when I see you coming I’d run like I do from the panhandlers. And I damn sure don’t want you in my neighborhood, mainly because of the small children.

    You’re a mooch and a freeloader.”

    If I’m a slacker because I waste less than a half an hour a day on shit like this, then what does that make you? You claim to surf blogs all day long, so tell me what you do.

    And no, I only go to the library to pick up my tax papers. Seeing as how I own my own house, I have my own computer at home. I pay my own taxes, and I mooch off of no one. I am sending my wife through law school as well, so STFU and EAD.

    And I know you would run from me in real life. That’s what scared little bitches do. You may think you’re big dog here in the “inner nets”, but I know you’re nothing but a broke ass old man in real life.


  46. And I know you would run from me in real life. That’s what scared little bitches do. You may think you’re big dog here in the “inner nets”, but I know you’re nothing but a broke ass old man in real life.

    LOL! What’s wrong? Truth hit a little close to home? For an explanation of why I have so much time on my hands, see next post. I’m ending this one. But I’m glad you were able to at the very least, marry someone bright. Looks like she might have to carry the load.

    Why not just get your tax papers off the internet numbnuts? Save you the gas.

    http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/index.html


  47. Man you have all the answers.

    Last year they didn’t have my “Kansas to Missouri 1% working tax exemption” document online. You had to get it at the library.

    Now my smart wife does it.



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