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I Hereby Coin The Term “Flat Tirer”

August 12, 2008

Flat Tirer – A person who acts solely in the interest of partisanship and dishonestly mocks those who disseminate the provable concept that a nationwide push to maintain properly inflated tires on America’s vehicles would collectively save an incredible amount of oil, money, and emissions over time.

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14 comments

  1. Don’t forget the safety angle.This has been DOT gospel for years and even the car makers tend to have a line or two in the never read manuals in the glovie.
    I’m “tired” of this issue…anyone else ?


  2. How about a Chamber Emblem for that? You know, for the occasional flat tirer in a metaphorical sense..


  3. Sorry, wasn’t exactly logged in last comment..


  4. Sheeeesh, I make one little joke about Obama’s tire pressure police coming to get me if I let some air out of my motorcycle tires when I ride it off road, and next thing you know I get a whole thread devoted to me.

    To be honest, I’m much more worried about Obama’s environmental police arresting me for riding my bike in the desert and running over some endangered lizard.

    The tire pressure will just be a lesser included, secondary offense.

    🙂


  5. Actually Sage, that wasn’t you I had in mind. It’s people like Hannity and this other blogger who pinged my other thread and labeled me a “moonbat” (without attempting a counter argument, of course).

    Deep down inside, I think you “get it”. 🙂

    Alfie-

    You know, like I said in the other thread, I’m not “tired” (LOL!) of this topic. I’m really glad it has made it into the public psyche (mocking or no), and I hope it stays there. I can’t help but wonder how many of these flat tirers reluctantly decided to dig their tire gauges out of the bottom of their tool boxes and headed for the garage…just in case. Mission Accomplished.


  6. Thanks for presenting the drive-by view of the issue and ignoring the total text of the Messiah’s remarks. He said inflating tires would save more oil than what we are able to drill.

    The United States of America put a man on the moon in eight years! We can get much more oil than we can EVER save using that Obama scheme.

    Fly moonbats, fly!


  7. That is what he said…. Twice.


  8. Thespis-

    Are you suggesting that we’ll find oil on the moon?

    Look, I know I addressed this in the other threads, but I’ll say it again. Whether you want to call it an overstatement or exaggeration or an outright lie, its hard to prove him right or wrong when you’re dealing with broad hypotheticals, but the point remains:

    – saving oil is preferable to drilling (buying) more

    – it is something that can painlessly be accomplished by every American

    – the savings would be immediate and personal, as well as collective, as the decrease in demand would shift the overall price. In other words, you’re buying less oil, and cheaper.

    Actually, it would be hard to prove Obama wrong, at least in the short term. Assuming that every vehicle on the road was operating at full efficiency tomorrow, you’d have a significant head start since the additional oil from drilling would take several years to be realized, and presumably several years more before it caught up.

    You can call me a “moonbat” all you want. No biggie. But no one disputes that keeping tires inflated would save a tremendous amount of gas, so I’ll take the pejorative for the team if it’s part of the process of spreading the word. Grab your tire gauge and head out to the garage. No need to thank me.


  9. I have to agree with ChenZhen on this that the whole tire gauge gimmick thing by McCain was dumb. ChenZhen, you get a lot of conservative remarks toward you that offer no counter argument except name calling also? 🙂

    The reason gas prices are going down besides the market was so hyped up is that customer demand has decreased. People using less gas really gets the attention of big oil.

    The whole debate has been centered on supply and not demand. Why can’t the President and/or Congress declare war on gas consumption?

    Some ideas to consider…

    -Yes, have public service ads to educate and encourage people to car pool, use public transportation, and properly inflate their tires.

    -Reduce interstate speed limits form 65 to 55 MPH. (This may already be the case so not sure)

    -Offer tax relief and subsidies to auto manufacturers to help retool for smaller, electric, and hybrid cars.

    Reducing our demand for oil would have a quicker and greater effect on gas prices then drilling for the little oil that is here.

    DesertSage…

    Obama has his own environmental police squad?

    Thespis…

    Jesus Christ spoke about tire pressure in the New Testament?

    You learn something new everyday…


  10. @MJ:

    How come you accept that supply and demand is responsible for the decline in oil prices, but you don’t recognize it is responsible for its increase, and instead blame it largely on oil speculation? (I’m still waiting for that post you mentioned writing on this subject weeks ago) It’s kind of hard to blame speculators these days. Iran is upping its rhetoric and the conflict in Georgia should have oil prices jumping like crazy. Instead the prices are falling daily for the last month.

    The government doesn’t have to “declare war” on oil consumption. I don’t know what debate you are talking about, but nobody who knows anything has ever claimed demand wasn’t affecting oil prices. In fact, that has been the exact arguement, that growth in China and India is increasing world demand. You need to get your stories straight.

    As you have already pointed out, and as some of us have been saying all along, the market will take care of the situation. We don’t need any government intervention. We don’t need a mandate on reduced speeds that few will follow anyways. And we don’t need government subsidies for companies who should be taking care of their own technology in order to please a certain market.

    I know it’s hard for you socialist types to wrap your heads around, but if you let capitalism do it’s job, things will work themselves out. We don’t need your slippery slopes.

    The tire gauge gimmick is just that—a gimmick. What is dumb is Obama claiming—twice!—that proper tire inflation will result in more oil than drilling anywhere would. Saying it once is a gaffe. Saying it twice says he really means it.


  11. The Red Pill…

    “How come you accept that supply and demand is responsible for the decline in oil prices, but you don’t recognize it is responsible for its increase, and instead blame it largely on oil speculation?”

    Easy enough to answer your question. We have no shortage of oil that would explain the doubling in the price over a short period of time. I don’t know where you live but I can go to any gas station at any time and they have gas to sell. There is no short term supply issue but of course that will change in the future. The only answer for souring oil prices when supply is meeting demand would be market speculation. Remember market speculation looks at the future and not the present situation.

    I said demand has a greater affect on prices then supply. Saudi Arabia not once but twice increased production and the price of oil keep increasing and it was not until soft consumer demand that prices fell.

    Market speculation is not factor now because prices were hyped to high already. You need to look at the whole picture.

    Mind you if prices keep falling demand will increase and the cycle begins again. My point is we need to reduce demand but not just because gas prices became to high.

    “Iran is upping its rhetoric and the conflict in Georgia should have oil prices jumping like crazy. Instead the prices are falling daily for the last month.”

    You talking about prices over the last month but the Russia-Georgia conflict happened couple of days ago?

    “The government doesn’t have to “declare war” on oil consumption. I don’t know what debate you are talking about, but nobody who knows anything has ever claimed demand wasn’t affecting oil prices. In fact, that has been the exact arguement, that growth in China and India is increasing world demand. You need to get your stories straight.”

    We are talking about demand and gas prices here in America. First you say everyone knows demand is affecting oil prices but we don’t need policies to reduce demand? Get your story straight… America uses more energy per person then anyone else by far so we need to do our part to reduce demand.

    “I know it’s hard for you socialist types to wrap your heads around, but if you let capitalism do it’s job, things will work themselves out. We don’t need your slippery slopes.”

    Why do you conservative types always need to apply a label to the person you are trying to debate? That’s the problem in that capitalism is doing it’s job and we keep consuming more and more and even more. Things will just not work themselves out and that is just plain ridiculous.


  12. Why can’t we drill oil and make sure we have the proper tire pressure?

    Huh?

    Why can’t we do both?


  13. Sage-

    I really don’t have anything negative to say about drilling. I have always assumed that we periodically find new oil deposits and drill for extra oil anyway. But I think the plan in the grand scheme of things is to taper our demand for non-renewable sources of energy as we move forward, and “drill here, drill now” doesn’t really address that.

    Since I’ve penned a few posts here lately defending Obama on his statement, I should remind everyone (again) that Obama was saying this in the context of what average people can do to help the overall situation almost immediately. As I demonstrated in the previous thread on the topic, these “simple things” can really add up to a significant impact. And since I witnessed the noise machine shape those comments as if they were the width and breadth of Obama’s entire energy policy, I felt compelled to do my part to combat that. Make no mistake though, I’m not going to sit here and try to make the argument that checking one’s tire pressure alone will save us from our energy problems, but I think it’s misguided to use the comments to score some cheap political points by mocking something that really can help, and risk sending the message that its all a bunch of hooey. So, the “flat tirers” would refer to those that I feel have crossed that line.

    As a side note, I could have sworn that I heard Rush they other day say something like “I’m all for conservation” (curiously, a line that I’ve heard quite a few of the Obama-mockers say). Riiight. This is the guy that celebrates that he was getting 12.8 MPG hwy in whatever the heck he drove to Miami (which I can only assume was a fully loaded dump truck).


  14. Yeah, as usual. There is what Obama said, and then there is what Obama meant. Nuance. Good luck selling carrots and sticks to world leaders with that.

    @MJ:

    Easy enough to answer your question. We have no shortage of oil that would explain the doubling in the price over a short period of time. I don’t know where you live but I can go to any gas station at any time and they have gas to sell. There is no short term supply issue but of course that will change in the future. The only answer for souring oil prices when supply is meeting demand would be market speculation. Remember market speculation looks at the future and not the present situation.

    A fair answer, but one I don’t agree with. Mainly because speculators don’t take possession of oil. Speculators would have to take possession of the actual commodity and hoard it in order to affect the price.

    I said demand has a greater affect on prices then supply. Saudi Arabia not once but twice increased production and the price of oil keep increasing and it was not until soft consumer demand that prices fell.

    I wasn’t debating the influence of supply and/or demand. I fully believe in it. I was saying that in the past, you have debated its influence. It is usually followed by a discussion on speculators. That’s my point. You give the impression that speculators are only responsible for price increases, but supply and demand is responsible for price decreases.

    Market speculation is not factor now because prices were hyped to high already. You need to look at the whole picture.

    1 month ago most Americans felt we would be seeing $5 a gallon gasoline by the end of the year. If speculators had the power you give them credit for, that would have certainly given them cause to keep going.

    You talking about prices over the last month but the Russia-Georgia conflict happened couple of days ago?

    What I said was daily over the last month. As in every day. Again, if speculators had the power you give them credit for, all they would need is a couple days to say “Oh crap! Look what is happening near those pipelines. Let’s raise the prices because of what might happen!” That is what specualtion is all about—what might happen. And they have had 4 days of trading to think about it. Yet the prices still go down.

    We are talking about demand and gas prices here in America. First you say everyone knows demand is affecting oil prices but we don’t need policies to reduce demand? Get your story straight… America uses more energy per person then anyone else by far so we need to do our part to reduce demand.

    You are talking about demand in America. But it’s a world market. To ignore our international market competitors is to not “look at the whole picture.”

    No, we don’t need policies to reduce demand. You’re the one saying that recent reduction in demand is bringing the price down. And I don’t see any legislation causing that reduced demand. There are no laws ordering us to drive less. What is causing it is prices. Which brings us right back to basic economics—not government intervention.

    Why do you conservative types always need to apply a label to the person you are trying to debate? That’s the problem in that capitalism is doing it’s job and we keep consuming more and more and even more. Things will just not work themselves out and that is just plain ridiculous.

    Fair enough. But aren’t you labelling me by calling me a conservative? And since your final arguement here seems to be against capitalism, please tell me where I went astray in my labelling.

    Yes, we are consuming more and more. We have an ever-increasing population and a high standard of living. Which one are you ready to lower? Do you want to give up your standard of living? I don’t. And good luck curbing population growth.

    The way to go about it is by finding new resources and technologies. And again, the free market will take care of that by itself. When something gets too expensive, less people will buy it and producers will figure out a new way. It’s a process that has been going on for a couple hundred years now.



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