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It’s Called An “Idiom”, Dimwits

September 9, 2008

Ah…It was a typical day.  I got home from work, turned on my laptop, checked my email and the Chamber control center, then decided to see what was new in the world of politics.  And what did I see at the top of the memeorandum page?  This: Obama Says McCain Is Offering Fake Change: ‘You Can Put Lipstick on a Pig, But It’s Still a Pig’

LEBANON, Va. — “That’s not change,” Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said of what Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., is offering.

“You know, you can put lipstick on a pig,” Obama said, “but it’s still a pig.”

The crowd rose and applauded, some of them no doubt thinking he may have been alluding to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s ad lib during her vice presidential nomination acceptance speech last week, “What’s the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick.”

Then I see that Drudge once again seizes opportunity to mislead, and puts it front and center:

A few more clicks, and I discover various bloggers hysterically rushing in to attack Obama for calling Palin a “pig”.

Still more clicks, and I notice that the McCain camp calls for Obama to apologize to Palin:

Reporters were a bit skeptical that Obama intended to do that; from the sketchy reports we have, he seemed to be talking about how John McCain can claim to represent change but isn’t really an agent of change.  But Swift said, “it’s pretty clear the crowd thought that that was the insult he was leveling.”  And Swift made the (hopefully) undeniable observation that Palin is the only one of the four national candidates who wears lipstick.

{{{sigh}}}

Where to begin?  Well, this transparent attempt to make something (sexist) out of nothing appears to have gone viral throughout the political web, and I’d just like to point out a few things (just in case it will do any good)…

First, “lipstick on a pig” is what those of us who don’t consider English to be second language call an idiom, and it’s a fairly common one

If people put lipstick on a pig, they make superficial or cosmetic changes, hoping that it will make the product more attractive.

Second, the crowd was probably applauding because said idiom was fitting in the obvious context that the “pig” was the Republican’s actual record, policies and stance on the issues, and the “lipstick” represented their facade of “change”.  

Third,  I should mention that the same site that assumed that Obama’s crowd was applauding because he was “no doubt” referring to Palin and her ad lib, later pointed out that…wait for it…McCain has used the exact same figure of speech when referring to Clinton’s health care plan.

McCain surely wasn’t calling Clinton a pig.

{{{slaps forehead}}}

Dear readers, have any of you seen the movie Idiocracy?    ‘Cause that’s America, right now.  Yep, we’ve officially traveled through time or to some alternate universe where the average IQ has dropped to 60 (yes, I know that the average IQ for any time or alternate universe is always 100 by definition, deal with it).

BTW-  Kudos to Allahpundit and Rusty for being intellectually honest and remaining in our time and universe.

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Update: I read at one of the blogs that the idiom was also the title of a book, so I Googled, and sure enough:

And just to prove how utterly ridiculous the McCain camp’s outrage really is, consider this exhibit, um…F: Meghan McCain: My Dad Says ‘Lipstick on a Pig’ 

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57 comments

  1. Actually, the real sexism is in term “old fish,” which most urbanites would recognize as a derogatory way to refer to a vagina. How “clever” he must have felt for coming up with that double entendre. I am absolutely stunned.

    http://hillaryorbust.com/2008/09/obamas-fish-comment-more-sexist-than-lipstick-on-a-pig/


  2. HoB-

    Really? The word around the alternate universe is that the “old fish” line was actually ageism, and that he was referring to McCain. But I’ll click your link.


  3. Yeah, this is more than a bit rediculous.

    At the same time, Obama should have forseen this reaction from that comment. Which he surely would have done had he taken even a brief moment to think about what he was saying before he said it.

    We’ve seen this time and time again from him. In front of a podium, Barack Obama has few equals. But when it comes to speaking off the cuff—the guy has a severe case of foot-in-mouth disease.

    And Joe Biden sure as hell isn’t the cure…..


  4. RP-

    At the same time, Obama should have forseen this reaction from that comment. Which he surely would have done had he taken even a brief moment to think about what he was saying before he said it.

    If this were “tar baby”, I’d say you have a point. But do you really expect Obama to pause for a second and think to himself “wait a minute, we’re in IQ-of-60 land!” The assumption that America is smart enough to know what he was talking about is a shortcoming? We’re in more trouble than I thought.


  5. .. and a torrent of howls emerged from the little green loony bin:

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31209_Lipstick_on_a_Pig/comments/#ctop


  6. I find this quite annoying that people would take that comment out of context. Honestly, I don’t believe the American people as a whole are smart enough to consider the full context of his statement. And in the end that is why this whole situation is annoying.


  7. Good post! I’ve made some of the same points myself.

    Another thing I find interesting is that I can’t get a single one of these people to tell me what they think of McCain calling his own wife a trollop (in reference to her makeup) and [the C word]. They just keep ignoring it like it didn’t happen. I guess they don’t consider that sexist at all. Not that I’m surprised by the double standard, of course.

    Good stuff! I’ll keep checking in.


  8. @Lottie:

    Nobody has ever shown a shred of proof that John McCain said that about his wife. Just because some guy writes it in a book doesn’t make it true. She has multi millions of dollars that are solely hers. They’ve been married for 30 years, and they have a prenup. So if Cindy McCain had any issues with the way her husband treats her, you can bet that she would leave him. She is not weak-spirited. She’s a very strong and independent woman.

    @Chen:

    2 weeks ago you might have had a point. Not today. Not after Palin’s line about the difference between soccer moms and pitbulls being played a hundred thousand times on every network in America for the last week.

    I’m still not saying Obama targetted Palin with the comment. I fully believe he was not. But as I said, he should have been more cautious with his mouth. He tries to be funny and steps in shit. He’s better off dropping the glib attitude and staying on message.


  9. He knew exactly what he was saying folks. Stop hiding from reality.
    I don’t disagree with his right to say it,he doesn’t owe anyone an apology, and it’s politics and all’s fair etc. etc..
    Obama supporters are always the first to stress how smart Obama is.Obama is definitely smart enough to float out his “idiom” knowing the crowd would get a certain meaning out of it.
    BE HONEST WITH YOURSELVES PEOPLE.


  10. John McCain was given the opportunity to deny saying it and he didn’t. When asked directly if had said it, this was his response:

    Now, now. You don’t want to… Um, you know that’s the great thing about town hall meetings, sir, but we really don’t, there’s people here who don’t respect that kind of language. So I’ll move on to the next questioner in the back.

    Instead of stuttering and tripping all over himself, he could have taken the opportunity to deny it. He didn’t. Wonder why?

    That’s all I’m going to say on the subject because I don’t want to disrespect Chen by hijacking the discussion.


  11. I’ve really tried my hardest to see the Palin connection but I really can’t see it. He is so very obviously talking about McCain’s policy positions. You’d have to believe that there’s some crypto-ultra implicit reference to Palin’s acceptance speech that he obviously didn’t directly imply but, you know, he must have meant it since, well (mumble, mumble.) Words are hard to understand, and dickweeds in the advertising/political advising industry constantly exploit this fact in order to score TV time for their candidates (and thus increase their own share of the advising market.) These guys should be made public, because they’re crapping all over the democratic process.

    It’s as bad as the Democrats claiming the Britney-Obama TV ad was racist.


  12. 1.It was obvious word play by Obama and an obvious barb directed towards Palin. You could see that in Obama’s delivery. The phrase had been pop culturally engrained as a flavor of the week sound bite via the endless media loops. Come on Chen, be honest dude. It wasn’t just a purely coincidental use of an idiom.

    2.The crowd obviously thought it was a “burn”. Did they think he was referring to Palin as an actual “pig”? Well, probably few. But a well known trick in any debate is to steal an opponent’s own words and use them as barbs. The crowd was not simply responding to the “idiom” independent of Palin. Again Chen, be honest dude.

    3.The McCain-Palin camp is trumping it up and playing the sexist card, no doubt about it. This is where I agree with Chen. Of course, they are using numerous truly sexist reactions from the left on Palin to frame up this comment to strike a nerve with people. I’m sick of this crap. The Obama camp surrogates are trying the same thing by trying to replace Palin’s “community organizer” comment as a rip on blacks. This kind of self serving stuff may be good for a few poll points, but is not healthy for our country.


  13. Need I remind everybody that Obama, the “agent of change whatever that is” and inspiring oratory brilliance, is so ignorant he does not know that his own state of Illinois does border Kentucky? Have we already forgotten that stupid misstep – possibly the dumbest politic comment in 200+ years of our history?

    I would have thought it would now be abundantly clear to even the most thick headed of leftist dolts here at the Chamber that Obama and his equally pretentious wife obvious lib quota hires with a gift reading from a teleprompter.

    Fortunately, America seems to be catching on.


  14. Frankly, this was just about all I could take of this election.

    I can feel my IQ dropping as I listen to these arguments. When I heard someone on NPR mention that this controversy existed, I was sure that it was just Limbaugh or Hannity or that lot … the idea that there are serious, intelligent people buying into this is deeply troubling.

    Once again, I really wish that someone would try discussing an actual issue instead of playing “gotcha” with the out-of-context word games.


  15. I can feel my IQ dropping as I listen to these arguments. When I heard someone on NPR mention that this controversy existed,

    Ironic. My IQ drops in magnitude when I am forced to listen to NPR…a lefty facade if there ever was one.


  16. @ Alfie & dead rabbit-

    No, I don’t think there was any double meaning or any hidden barb. And like I stated in the post, I don’t see how anyone can see that it was “obvious” that the crowd viewed it that way. Can’t an idiom just be an idiom? I mean, if he had instead said that what the campaign was doing was all a “dog and pony show”, are you going to tell me that he really meant that Palin was a dog (a la “pit bull”) and McCain was the pony?

    “Be honest dude”?

    No, YOU be honest. The only thing that ties Obama’s idiom and Palin’s tired old joke is one word. ONE WORD. On top of that, the idiom doesn’t make any sense if one assumes that he is referring to Palin as the “pig”. It DOES make sense the way he used it (as an analogy to what the McCain camp was doing).

    I’m throwin’ you a rope guys. Please come back to our universe.


  17. Can I just mention that some of the commenters proved my point.


  18. Honestly, I don’t believe the American people as a whole are smart enough to consider the full context of his statement. And in the end that is why this whole situation is annoying…

    followed by:

    Can I just mention that some of the commenters proved my point.

    You mean commentators “not smart enough” who provide commentary in opinion that disagrees with yours?

    Perhaps it’s the slang that throws us minions?


  19. General,

    If there was no ill intent as presented by the new neo-pagan messiah (soon to be cast down like Hillary when your type are through with him), why did the bobble headed Obama lemmings in attendance stand in unison to “bobble” and clap.

    I suppose we are to believe that the “pig with lipstick” comment so inspired the lemmings they stood and clapped for their preacher? They certainly seemed to catch the euphemism.


  20. Tex-

    I suppose we are to believe that the “pig with lipstick” comment so inspired the lemmings they stood and clapped for their preacher? They certainly seemed to catch the euphemism.

    You know, for all the mocking that the “lemmings” get and have gotten over the months of this campaign for clapping (and fainting) over every darn thing, I’d say its quite a turnaround to say that they’re all now smart enough to instantly catch this supposed double meaning.

    Or do you think that they wouldn’t have clapped if it had been some other fitting figure of speech?


  21. Mocking isn’t the word I use for the lemmings. Amusement and astonishment of the naivete maybe.

    What collective brilliance does it take does it take to recognize vile analogies? IMHO it is the only thing you guys do understand on a consistent basis. In fact, you’ve mastered it.

    P.S. – Since I’ve been gone, I didn’t even get to ask your opinion of the Greek Temple/Roman Colosseum built on stage for the Dim convention where Caesar spoke? All we needed were a few gladiators and a human sacrifice and I think you lefty guys and gals would just about be there…


  22. Sorry Chen but the pig and fish meant something. If he used any other saying it wouldn’t have made the connection and it wouldn’t be a debate point now.
    Wickle…contrary to the lack of media attention the majors are in fact hitting on issues at all their stops. It is sadly just not getting any play.


  23. Tex-

    I actually missed the Obama acceptance speech, as unbelievable as that may sound. But I did catch McCain’s, and I’m still wondering what they were thinking with that picture of the Walter Reed Middle School sitting in the background. I’m sure the press would hound him with that one if it wasn’t such an obvious “gotcha”. That joke just writes itself.

    Alfie-

    OK fine. Barack was calling McCain old and Palin a pig. Makes perfect sense, now that I think about it. Oh, and I might as well admit that Obama really was giving Hillary the finger that other time too. I tell ya, the guy is so slick with these childish jabs, relying of plausible deniability and all that to get him out of the subsequent controversy that he expects to be coming.

    Or could it really be just a made-up controversy?

    Nah.


  24. @Tex…I don’t think typos is a legitimate way of trying to disprove my point.
    I’m saying that people who would actually take McCain’s crocodile tears seriously on this issue are a joke and thus stupid. People need to grow up and pick a candidate based on the issues.


  25. General,

    You tickle me. Obviously, your ears are as plugged as your eyes are closed. What’s it finally going to take for you to admit “da man” is an opportunistic pig, an intellectual lightweight, and runs with a scumbag crowd? Chicago politics is as corrupt as it gets Chen.

    Of course, I do admit that the self-opportunistic pig could apply to virtually the entire Washington crowd…


  26. @Tex…I don’t think typos is are a legitimate way of trying to disprove my point

    .

    I’m just pulling a lefty’s leg while being a pedantic turd to make a point – see my comment to Chenster above.

    What are Obama’s “issues” besides granting the right to butchering unborn children with nothing but the baby’s skull in the birth canal, refusing to pursue domestic drilling, socialism, running with the wrong crowd, and “change”, whatever that means?


  27. When the radical right wing media has to defend itself by using what they think Senator Obama’s audience is thinking … you know the original point was to have a talking point that deflects the conversation from real issues … like 7 years later… where is bin Laden? … who has campaign advisors responsible for eliminating oversight of the housing market that may end up costing taxpayers tens of billions and thousands of working Americans their homes? …. etc., etc., etc.


  28. VirginiaDem: OBL:in a cave dead or dying.
    Be honest that ultimately Congress has allowed the tax payers to be put on the hook.The evil “unregulated” mortgage industry is actually the industry that helped people get homes,have a chance at ownership.If they weren’t around there would be a lot more people renting and without a chance at having lifelong assets.
    Chen Please recall that in my initial comment I said

    I don’t disagree with his right to say it,he doesn’t owe anyone an apology, and it’s politics and all’s fair etc. etc..


  29. sensico-

    I’m saying that people who would actually take McCain’s crocodile tears seriously on this issue are a joke and thus stupid. People need to grow up and pick a candidate based on the issues.

    Holy crap, you just called McCain a crocodile!

    Alfie-

    Yep, and everyone has their right to say or think whatever they want in response, just as I have a right to point out that that line of thinking is flawed. I guess we just risk our reputation and/or credibility (looking at you Drudge) in doing so, like anything else.

    In this campaign, we’ve seen the usual war of words and propaganda, but I’ve noticed that the a lot stuff coming from Obama’s opponents seems to be just…out there.


  30. virginiadim,

    When the radical right wing media has to defend itself by using what they think Senator Obama’s audience is thinking …

    You mean like the New York Times and Atlanta Constitution Journal (going bankrupt), Keith Olbermann (ESPN flunkie and now demoted news “anchor”), CBS/NBC/ABC (turmoil and losing audience in droves), or US Magazine’s smear of Ms. Palin (currently groveling to readers to please not leave and offering free subscriptions)?

    like 7 years later… where is bin Laden

    Dead…

    using what they think Senator Obama’s audience is thinking …

    I hate Bush, I like snail darters more than my neighbor, I hate America, America is imperialistic, I need a doobie, I’m broke since Dad’s college fund has run out after I dropped out, and ME ME ME. This one was particularly easy to answer.

    who has campaign advisors responsible for eliminating oversight of the housing market that may end up costing taxpayers tens of billions and thousands of working Americans their homes? …. etc., etc., etc.

    Don’t we currently have a Dimocratic Congress responsible for the economic vitality of the nation with an approval rating about one third of the evil and highly unpopular George Bush? Or is this one solely G.W.’s fault too like the deliquency in payment notice you received last week?


  31. Chen, after the comments that were made yesterday by select House Democrats, I think we can all agree that statements from both sides are getting…“out there.”


  32. Excellent point RP


  33. Oh, I think it goes way beyond the House Dimocrats. This one must at least qualify for a monument in stupidity:

    John McCain has chosen a running mate “whose primary qualification seems to be that she hasn’t had an abortion.”

    ~ South Carolina Democratic chairwoman Carol Fowler

    This is the current mindset of the Dimocratic party. The implosion of the neo-pagans is a sight to behold. Even the General is starting to lose his sense of humor (a rare lib commodity.)


  34. Wasn’t Obama going to bring a culture of change? Isn’t that why you guys love him?


  35. Guffaw!

    The Chronicles Of The Obamessiah, Volume II: In The Temple


  36. Unless you suffer from Asperger’s Syndrome, incapable of picking up the most basic of social cues, everyone understands that when you use a phrase being absolutely smeared across the media, you’re using it with a nod to that pop culture reality. I refuse to believe Chen has Asperger’s Syndrome, thus Chen isn’t being honest.

    Now, to ignore the reaction of the crowd, who so obviously utilized the social skills that our poor Chen is trying to say he lacks, is just insane. Everybody in the crowd “got it”.

    Now let me get this straight. Obama was not, repeat, not trying to call Palin a pig. I don’t have a fancy degree in Anthropology. Damn, people, stealing the opponents phrases and using them is done all the time!

    I know I’m repeating my post here, but I can’t help it. Does Chen believe his own lies?

    The McCain camp is going to regret the day they made a big deal about this. It would have been so much smarter to take the high road on it, and let the, in this case, right wing instigators run wild with it in the press and blogs.

    I am disappointed the McCain camp is going down this road.


  37. When did the anti P.C. brigade transform into the sniveling whiner squad? I must have missed that group meeting.

    On the (maybe) plus side though, most entertaining election season EVAR! 😀


  38. dead rabbit-

    Unless you suffer from Asperger’s Syndrome, incapable of picking up the most basic of social cues, everyone understands that when you use a phrase being absolutely smeared across the media, you’re using it with a nod to that pop culture reality. I refuse to believe Chen has Asperger’s Syndrome, thus Chen isn’t being honest.

    Now, to ignore the reaction of the crowd, who so obviously utilized the social skills that our poor Chen is trying to say he lacks, is just insane. Everybody in the crowd “got it”.

    Well, if you’re one of those people that was just swept off their feet by Palin’s “pit bull” line, and you’re also predisposed to criticize Obama and see nefariousness in just about anything and everything that he might say, sure, you might conclude that the common bond of “lipstick” in the idiom hides some sort of jab.

    The problem with your argument is the fact that those kinds of people weren’t in the crowd. In fact, those were people who have the opposite perspective (like myself). In other words, even if it got play in the media, the joke wasn’t at the top of the mind. In all likelihood, most of those people simply took the figure of speech at face value, grasped the analogy, and applauded. Ask yourself: Was there any context that would have led the crowd to believe that he was talking about Palin specifically when he used the “pig” line, or was he talking about the McCain camp more generally? Was Palin’s joke mentioned in the build up to the use of the idiom? Or, like I said upthread, is “lipstick” the only thing?

    Obama’s miscalculation, as I see it, is that he didn’t fully comprehend the scope of love the base had with that tired old “pit bull” joke, and it didn’t occur to him that perhaps there would be those who would take it that way. So if he had no idea there would be people who would take it that way, its pretty hard for me to believe that he meant it that way, especially in light of the rest of the argument that I’ve made in this thread (its a common figure of speech and it “fit”).


  39. RedPill —

    after the comments that were made yesterday by select House Democrats, I think we can all agree that statements from both sides are getting…“out there.”

    I don’t think that any reasonable person could disagree with that statement. The adoration of these candidates is absolutely insane. Neither Obama nor Palin should be considered above reproach.

    They are being treated as such by their fans. When you cross from “supporter” to “fan,” there’s something wrong. As much as I admire Mike Huckabee, I can accept criticism of him. I see a lot of Obama and Palin fans who can’t do that.

    That being said, I don’t think ChenZhen is one of those. I think he happens to be right on this one.

    2nd point: To be perfectly honest … let’s say that Obama was talking about Palin. So? After all of the name calling that’s been done during this campaign so far, is calling her a pig really so far out of bounds?

    3rd point: If we’re going to play out every possible permutation of every possibly comment, does that mean that Gov. Palin just called herself (and every other hockey mom, for that matter) a bitch?

    Side note: I find that most critics of NPR never actually listen to NPR, and therefore speak out of their ignorance.


  40. Tech question: How do you quote people’s posts in italics?

    Lol. Yeah, the entire media seemed smitten with the original lips on a pig joke. And our disagreement is kind of ridiculous, as we are both in agreement that Obama should not be lambasted for this and that the McCain camp should not be trying to play this up. This argument we’re having is about as superficial as it gets. In fact, I’m annoying myself by keeping this going. But here it goes anyways. Obama’s miscalculation (as you ridiculously claim) in “not fully comprehending the scope of love the base had with that tired old “pit bull” joke was pretty stupid, don’t you think? After all, I swear to God I saw 10,000 replays of it on cable news.

    In all seriousness, it concerns me that you refuse to believe such an obvious truth. The man dropped a “phrase of the week” to be sarcastic. The crowd ate it up with that obvious higher pitched response that humans make when we sense sarcasm. Who cares? You go to the well too many times, and it weakens your argument on other more serious issues.

    This aint a pig anymore, it’s a dead horse. And if we keep arguing about this Dad says he’s turning the car around and we’re going back home.


  41. I find that most critics claiming to be Christian but finding nothing but fault with other Christians never actually read their Bible, and therefore speak out of their ignorance.


  42. dead rabbit-

    If you’re trying to quote, use the “blockquote” tags. So this…

    <blockquote>Portion you want to quote</blockquote>

    …creates this:

    Portion you want to quote

    Anyway, I take your point on the dead horse and conclude that maybe its time for a new thread around here. But my final point is that you seem to rely on the crowd reaction and presume to jump inside their heads, but you completely ignore the context and what he said preceding it. He rattled off the things that McCain has in common with Bush, and said “It’s not change, it’s just calling the same thing something different”. He scratched his head, thought for a second, and used a common idiom that is synonymous. The laughter could be the visual of lipstick on a pig, but there is nothing about Palin or her joke that would even connect the two besides that one word.

    here’s the video:


  43. It matters to me little what Obama’s intent. The fact that Obama, he who told us “words matter” is so careless and inept, speaks volumes.

    Since being removed from his teleprompter, Obama has been proven to be a bumbling fool, a complete fraud and a cheap soundbite; a lame candidate and a weak man in the mold of Jimmah Carter, Al Gore and John Kerry

    I agree with Rabbit. Enough with the gotcha game.

    Let’s cast the votes…


  44. CZ, a great post. This is just one more bit of evidence that Silly Season is upon us.

    An aside to Lottie, please see my blog if you need some catharsis concerning John McCain’s treatment of his wife and women in general. I’ve even devoted an ongoing blog entry to it entitled The John McCain Female Woman Hater’s Club. 🙂


  45. “[Obama] is so ignorant he does not know that his own state of Illinois does border Kentucky? Have we already forgotten that stupid misstep – possibly the dumbest politic comment in 200+ years of our history?”

    Hahaha. That’s stupid. Dumber than Andrew Mellon (Treasury Secretary) saying “I see nothing in the present situation that is either menacing or warrants pessimism” in 1930? Dumber than all those folks wanting to stay out of World War II?


  46. Do you really think this is 1930 Mike? Isn’t that what you and the serial raping President told us in 1991 too – the worst “depression” since the Depression?

    Um…I’m not sure we stay out of WWII. I thought history had alread been written. Besides,we don’t call ‘The Obamessiah’ Neville Chamberlain II for nothing. You think Hamas is lending their support to your candidate because they think Obama the most qualified?

    You guys need some new quotable material. My favorite…

    ‘My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you’ll join with me as we try to change it.’

    — Barack Obama —


  47. Rutherford, how many WPPBA blogs are you going to pimp your bog on? This is the 2nd one I have seen today on 2 different blogs.

    Not to mention that your McCain Women-Hating theory is full of crap.

    The Obama campaign pays women less than men. The McCain campaign pays women more than men. Obama never even considered an extremely qualified woman for his running mate. McCain did more than consider one, he selected her.

    I would give more opinion on this subject, but it would require me to pimp my blog.


  48. Red Pill,

    You know how it is with the neo-pagans. Since they were completely wrong about the surge, and when they’re now falling in the polls like they are, when you’ve been oned up by a Conservative (especially God forbid a pro-life woman), revert back to the tried and true stuff that brung’ ya!

    Since the Republican camp hasn’t taken the race bait, libs like Rutherford will start stretching for the wife beatings, dragging James Byrd to death, or burning down black churches.

    It’s worked so well for them in the past.


  49. No, I’m just saying that not knowing Kentucky borders Illinois is certainly not the dumbest political statement in our 200+ year history, as you claimed. There are many, many far dumber things that have been said. Like the stock market crash of 1929 was not grounds for dread or pessismism. Or that we should stay out of WWII, like Charles Lindbergh’s ‘America First’ campaign argued, on the grounds that Hitler was not an expansionist nut-job, but a reasonable person. Gerald Ford and John F. Kennedy were members/made contributions. Certainly, taking those positions is a LOT dumber.

    Not that what Obama said isn’t dumb as well, it’s just pointless hyperbole to claim it’s possibly the dumbest political comment in 200+ years. If my past experience with internet-arguing is any indicator, someone will begin to obfuscate the meaning of the word ‘dumb’ or what constitutes a dumb comment. Those people have futures in advertising or politics.


  50. Tex-
    Obviously I’m just busting your balls. What you said doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, but it’s likely you’re just exaggerating for effect. If you actually believe it, well…….


  51. So let me get this straight Mike.

    Your boy, the Harvard grad and editor of the law review, doesn’t even recognize the states the border his own, and yet you want the rest of us to believe that he’s smart enough to lead us, right?

    This guy is so smart, we’ve been able to add 7 states since he began campaigning.

    Okay, I think I’ve got it.


  52. What really doesn’t make sense is the defense of somebody that’s an absolutely buffoon without a teleprompter. But since you lost the WWF gravatar, I can feel your intellect on the upswing.

    Just bustin’ your balls, of course.


  53. When did I say he’s my boy? I’m not defending Obama (something I really do not do in my spare time, I usually spend it doing the opposite) I’m just busting on you for saying something silly. We’re all allowed to say silly things, that’s not a big deal, especially if we’re joking. But now it seems you believe it. Weird.

    You want me to believe you’re smart enough to have good ideas about politics when you believe that a mistake in geography is possibly the dumbest political mistake in 200+ years of history?

    Okay, I think I got it.

    Don’t argue with teenagers, self.


  54. Sorry, not political mistake. Political comment.


  55. Mike,

    This is a blog. On a blog, people express their opinions. Sometimes those opinions don’t agree with other people’s opinions. When that happens, the party in disagreement types a response to the statement they disagree with. I typed mine; you typed yours. When this happens, two people disagree. Sometimes, more than two people disagree. Sometimes, debate continues; sometimes it does not.

    Now back to the subject at hand. I’m sure somewhere, Rosie has something equally as dumb (Christianity on par with radical Islam would rate). But this is the potential leader of the free world Mike. We’re not talking about poor judgements or bad decisions. We’re talking about off the cuff statements that make Dan Quayle’s misspelling of “potato” pale in comparison.

    And I only dream I was a teenager.


  56. Tex-
    Yeah, you’re totally right. Looks like I got off on the wrong foot. I sincerely meant just to mess with you a little for fun (fun for the both of us,) not start a serious argument. I figured you were joking around, but then you came out and defended it, which seemed odd. And Andrew Mellon, Gerald Ford, John F. and Joseph Kennedy are not the political equivalant of Rosie, for the record.

    I think the next, best revolution in internet technology would be a sarcasm font. Whenever someone says something that isn’t meant to be taken totally seriously, they’d just switch into that font. We do it with facial expressions in person, and it’s a serious handicap not to have such a device in cyberspace.

    From now on I’ll just do this:


  57. Now we need a creepy font.



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