Not Just Another Blackwater Thread

December 7, 2008

Tomorrow, those Blackwater security guards are supposed to surrender to authorities in Utah:

WASHINGTON – Five Blackwater Worldwide security guards indicted in Washington for the 2007 shooting of Iraqi civilians plan to surrender to the federal authorities Monday in Utah, people close to the case said, setting up a court fight over the trial site.

The case already is shaping up to be a series of contentious legal battles before the guards can even go to trial. By surrendering in Utah, the home state of one of the guards, the men could argue the case should be heard in a far more conservative, pro-gun venue than Washington, some 2,000 miles away.

The five guards, all military veterans, were indicted on manslaughter charges Thursday for their roles in a 2007 shooting in Baghdad that left 17 Iraqi civilians dead. A sixth guard reached a plea deal with prosecutors to avoid a mandatory 30-year prison sentence.

Now, I say “just another thread”, because I did have a thread about the incident after it happened last year.  mercsribbon2And in the spirit of the other post,  I’m not sure if I want this one to focus on the incident itself or the legal situation that these five guys find themselves in.  Instead, I think I’m going to use the story as an excuse to revisit the topic that kinda flew under the radar the last time, especially now that we’re a over a year post-surge in Iraq and people are now declaring our victory and everything.  So…

Just how big of an impact have the contractors like Blackwater had on what’s transpired?  Or, asked another way, how large of a component of the “surge” have they been, and how critical to the mission’s success?

It’s a topic that doesn’t get mentioned much, so I’m mentioning it.  The effort has been more privatized than any other in our history, so I think it’s worth examining.  And while the V-I Day proponents claim to honor the sacrifice of American, Iraqi, and other coalition forces, they’re ignoring the tens of thousands of hired guns who were handsomely compensated by the American taxpayer.  How come?  After all, contractors (armed and otherwise) have suffered over 1,000 dead and 10,000 wounded, a rate of approximately one for every four of the U.S. Armed Forces.

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  1. They are completely necessary to compensate for the American military haters, BDS types like Chen, corrupt MSM, and self-loathing Americans like Rutherford and the Revolting Puke, all who continue to tie the hands of our heroes with their unreasonable expectations, duplicity, cowardice, and hypocritical judgment:






    Okay, let’s get it on. 😉

  2. Master Kung Fu,

    You monitoring me? Why does everything keep “waiting for moderation?” Are you playing Big Brother for me dissing you?

  3. I honestly don’t know what to think of Blackwater. My gut instincts make me wary of mercenary forces. I have also heard from regular military that they could sometimes be a rogue annoyance when it came to the “plan of the day”. I guess what I’m saying is that I don’t have a clue on this one in terms of the facts in this case and mercenary forces in Iraq as a whole. I need to read up.

    They are lucky they’re not being tried in Iraq.

  4. Tex-

    I contacted wordpress support today, for advise on your behalf with regard to the moderation thing. It isn’t just happening to you though.

  5. I guess the only thing I would say is I assume the Blackwater folks got paid a lot better than our men in uniform. Shame the average Joe that gets sent over for multiple rotations can’t get the same sweet deal as the Blackwater folks.

  6. I bet they are bad ass mofos though!

  7. I’m entertaining the idea of sending pingbacks to the dozens of bloggers who signed on to the V-I Day idea, ’cause if I’m going to ask “how come?”, I might as well ask them directly.

    That would make things interesting.

  8. Shame the average Joe that gets sent over for multiple rotations can’t get the same sweet deal as the Blackwater folks.

    Finally, something we can agree on; and I’ll take it a step further that we should be compensating the military families, as well.

  9. Chen,

    By the way, I was teasing you about moderating me. But it is weird, all the sudden, about half the things I post require your permission – even when there is no link.

    Perhaps it’s a message from God telling me to shut my mouth?

  10. I don’t understand how people don’t get this whole deal.
    First off since Vietnam America has been very much cowed when faced with military/political mismatches. The use of entities like Blackwater is due to our inability and will to pursue a military and mission of the size required. I would also stress that the private orgs are not solely hired and paid by the US/UK govts.
    Blackwater etal share in any success in Iraq only works if you are of the camp that desires to break down victory. I’d say it is uncalled for. Any success the strategy of Surge etc. has enjoyed is in total,of the sum not the addends.

  11. Honestly, I didn’t fully comprehend you, Alfie. I think you’re saying that ever since Nam, the American people have refused to make the sacrifices that would be required for a total military solution. Thus, this deficiency is made up for with mercs.

    I suppose that makes sense to me.

    However, I don’t think I understand your second paragraph at all.

  12. I have that habit Rabbit.
    Yeah since we don’t have a military of 500k we need mercs.
    To Chens point on how much the likes of Blackwater have a place being seen as part of victory I made my second statement.

  13. I think Alfie is right. I’m no military man or expert, but I would assume these Blackwater types are used as a stop gap – and they are obviously very good at what they do.

    I suppose there is the chance they are a little too good. Nonetheless, I am glad they are on my side and I wouldn’t want to tangle with any of them.

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